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A, B or C (yeah I hate these too ;) )

Postby killmaimburn » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:15 am

Ok so I master minded a cunningly awesome alpha strike of death list.. (thats not here, thats secret secret)
then i forgot about it, and instead played a really poor game (just in terms of 1 sided) where LH was elevated to Mr6 tier, by rolling all 6s all the time,20 guardsman pass all their cover my butt, only fails a leadership test(out of 37ish) when in combat its his turn next and he wants to shoot me..my butt. But I played through till my techmarine had killed both his vendettas and he had finally tabled me.(This is of late an oddity).
Anyhow, I want to persist with my losers list, rather than any of my awesome win lists.It goes right back to the doublewing.. but without double wing.
A) So list as was..

Space marine captain on bike with artficer armour relic blade and combimelta 190
4bikes+MM attack bike (2 plas) 195
4bikes+MM attack bike (2 plas) 195
4bikes+MM attack bike (2 melta) 185 (765 of bike and troop)
Thunderfire-100
Scouts sniper rifles,missile telion135
Aegis with qaud..telion fires quad for all sniping all the time.. 100
==1100

Ordos Xenos inquisitor with psychotroke grenades Ulumeathi plasma syphon 1servo skull -53
10 Grey knight termies 2 psycannons, psybolt ammo for stormbolters, 2 free hammers,2 Halberds(one on justicar) 470
1Psyfleman (dual autocannon with psybolt)+searchlight-136
=659
1759

B) List done purely in dark angels codex.
Azrael 215
10termie, 2 cyclones,2TH+SS,2SB+CF,2LCs-510
3ravenwing 2 melta +MM attack bike-155
3ravenwing 2 melta +MM attack bike-155
3ravenwing 2 melta +MM attack bike-155
5man las-90
10man tactical with heavy bolter (semi blob) 150
FA
2 hyperios 70
2 Hyperios 70(instead of quad cannon)

Whirlwind 65
Whirlwind 65 (To replace thunderfire cannon.)
1700

Struggling with last 50 points, just too easy to add another hyperios.. or make the 5man 10 man.. but both are kind of sucky, using max squadrons and named charectors there just isn't the way for me to use up the points awesome effectively.

So A to B differences.
hyperios instead of wall. /\
Whirlwind instead of thunderfire -
Termies have less shots than GK but greater range- split fire means less waste.As does having seperate attack bikes.
1 whole bike squad all the ablatives, and a CC bike in exchange for 15 walking meq and a CC monster buff.
No dreadnought..all in all less high str shots

C) Bolster my lines (allied obvious crutches weasel codex)

Azrael 215
HQ Company command squad 4 grenade launchers 70
10termie, 2 cyclones,2TH+SS,2SB+CF,2LCs-510
3ravenwing 2 melta +MM attack bike-155
3ravenwing 2 melta +MM attack bike-155
3ravenwing 2 melta +MM attack bike-155
PCS 4 grenade launchers \/
Infantry squad sarge has poweraxe+Infantry squad sarge has poweraxe=170 (replace 10 man for blob bodyguard)
FA
2 hyperios 70
2 Hyperios 70(instead of quad cannon)

Whirlwind 65
Whirlwind 65 (To replace thunderfire cannon.)

1700
Starting to look a little like my chaos list.. :o Also starting to look a lot like web lists from when the codex first came out :oops: :oops:

Hints on using last 50 points?? reasons for A,B or C whatever they may B

General view about DA Smursf IG, GK 40k, gaming, rolling dice, socialising, setting fire to stuff welcome.
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Re: A, B or C (yeah I hate these too ;) )

Postby ruffian4 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:02 pm

DA = don't know.
Smurfs = I have honestly never played against vanilla marines!!!
GK = try to ignore.
40k = I like 6th, playing quite a bit recently.
IG, played a game about, what, a year ago and in the middle of it, said to Caspar, "I wouldn't want to play this" so have been getting silier all the time.

Had a fire in the kitchen only last week, though I was heroic and there was little loss of life (ie none).
Still not used to eletric cooker and its secretive, non-flame ways and have entirely melted a plastic serving tray (fumes were, piquant) and an electric steamer that looked like morph a bit.

ROLLING DICE AND WHY MATTJGILBERT IS A HERO.
As we have the same taste in dice, it seems (speckly arctic white), I managed to accidently "aquire" one of his dragons den dice at a meetup.
Since then, every time I roll that thing, it comes up with the eyeball symbol = 6.
Caspar has threatened to eat it, shit it out then present it back to me.

Spend 50 points on party poppers (hunter killer missiles).
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Re: A, B or C (yeah I hate these too ;) )

Postby Ljundhammer » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:07 pm

I don't get what you want the termies to do...

They can't screen the bikes because they aren't fast enough. They can't distract from the bikes because they aren't very scary (no delivery system and pretty meh weapons). If you want to run termies & want them to be scary, why not go THSS & drop them into the opponent's lines T1, bikes move up into lines, then all of a sudden your opponent has an awful lot to deal with (it's how your Chaos bike army works).

And Whirlies are gash.

We all know you like bikes. Why not go for the full on BIKES OF DEATH army?

Sammael - 200
6 x RW bike squads - 155 each (as above) - 930

SM bike boss - 190 (as above)
2 x Plasma bike squad - 195 (as above)- 390

1710

40 points left to add some broken FW guff.

14 scoring units, 36 bikes with about 50 wounds, cover saves everywhere, T5 everywhere, decent assault ICs, lots of bolters, lots of melta, enough plasma.

Flyers - yeah, heldrakes are bad, but they can't kill ALL of you bikes... Especially if you hide in combat...
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Re: A, B or C (yeah I hate these too ;) )

Postby killmaimburn » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:45 pm

Ta ruffian
Ljundhammer wrote:I don't get what you want the termies to do...

They can't screen the bikes because they aren't fast enough. They can't distract from the bikes because they aren't very scary (no delivery system and pretty meh weapons). If you want to run termies & want them to be scary, why not go THSS & drop them into the opponent's lines T1, bikes move up into lines, then all of a sudden your opponent has an awful lot to deal with (it's how your Chaos bike army works).
DA wise.. its the double wing cliche.. bikes zoom forwards.. termies come off them and screen and I ownzer the middle ground whilst blob advance behind threw and beyond.(whilst termies withering fire back with the relic etc etc..
With the dual wing non DA.. its more how classical tzeentch played a mixed slowfast footslog of dakka that has enough special rules you don't get close enough to find the chinks in its armour. (rolling terrible being a big chink in low model count lists :lol: :lol: )

Ljundhammer wrote:And Whirlies are gash.
Every competant DA players list I've read this week dual whirlies.. rememberthe 5th ed bounce to ordinance.. then the DA points drop.. then the 6th ed bounce of ignore cover being actually good.Compare to a thunderfire, 4 small blast vs 2 giant ones.. 1 immobile 1/6 scoring, 2 move and shoot 1/6 scoring. They have a lot more than they did in 4th...

Ljundhammer wrote:Sammael - 200
6 x RW bike squads - 155 each (as above) - 930

SM bike boss - 190 (as above)
2 x Plasma bike squad - 195 (as above)- 390
I don't have 8 squads of bikes, also thats terrible against so many things, (no CC, no range etc etc..thats why old pure bikes involved pods and typhoons too)
Ljundhammer wrote:Flyers - yeah, heldrakes are bad, but they can't kill ALL of you bikes... Especially if you hide in combat...
[/quote] Every goatherder and their mom is spending 200+ points on flyers.. it seems natural to either spend 140 points doing the same, or making sure they don't have free run of the table.
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