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Postby IMF2000 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:53 am

killmaimburn wrote:1000points
"1 Predator Annihilator Twin Linked Lascannon; Heavy Bolter (x2)"

4th ed (good works well) 5th ed that thing is hit by the defensive weapons rule really badly.So only play 4th ed?


Uh ****. I'm only going to be playing 5th so this doesn't sound good. I'm not familiar with this defensive rule (yet). I guess that GW may end up tweaking the predator then..

" Bolter (x7); Meltagun (x1); Multi-Melta (x1)
(x1); Power Weapon (x1);


Bolter (x7); Plasmagun (x1); Lascannon (x1)
1 Rhino
; Power Fist (x1); "

Yes the fist wants to go in the rhino, but I think that the melta guns (with their limited range are the squad that need to go in the transport (lascannon has effective range across the table so is less likely to see assualt, so lascannon squad has the power sword, melta squad gets the fist and the rhino (just swap em)


Thanks for spotting that, and easy to fix :D

"Marneus Calgar"
Sucks (just imo but there is a world of funnier things you could take instead( in 4th he's an IC who will normally die before he hits.. and in apoc taking that 600+ points squad for 5 men..I'd strongly advocate going sillier thing, such as using those models to represent the masters of the chapter datasheet or going sensible (and buying 4 masters with jump pack s and lightning claws..or 6 units instead of him.).
A good way to spot if he sucks is how many special rules (or nerf he gets in future codexs) rumours say he's getting twinlinked plasma master bolter crafted silliness and confers the ability to opt to run away from combat and (basically a shed of special rules to make up for his current load out)


!@@$%^%^ if they bring out a new model I'm going to be really narked after just shelling out big dollar for this IC.. :( I'll have to have a think about this one, TBH I'd collect this model anyway as I'm into my Marine fluff.


Any thoughts on the Assault Terminators or Vet squad? :D

Thanks for the help dude, I'll buy you a pint at WHW :lol:
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Postby Angelwing » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:40 am

Don't bother with heavy bolters on the predator. Go the whole hog and use lascannons for a full anti tank role.
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Postby mattjgilbert » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:11 pm

Angelwing wrote:Don't bother with heavy bolters on the predator. Go the whole hog and use lascannons for a full anti tank role.
Yeah - you have a half and half there. I usually either go all anti-tank (all LC) or all anti-infantry (AC + 2HBs)
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Postby IMF2000 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:15 pm

Doh! I better rip those sponsons off :/
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Postby mattjgilbert » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:30 pm

Magnets man! Magnets!
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Postby killmaimburn » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:02 pm

IMF2000 wrote:Doh! I better rip those sponsons off :/

I'm just putting mine back in the attic for a few years (everything of mine is on rotational, otherwise I'd break the interwebz with my whining)

Defensive weapon rule a weapon is only defensive if its st4 (bolter strength) heavy bolters would be classed as a main weapon..so you could only move and shoot using 1 weapon (previously the rules were str7 or so but part of the skimmer nerfing is they now can't move 12 and fire all their asspams and eldar doohickys and everything- just one gun) the mixed fire approach worked really well and was ninja competitive in the old rules..5th its a pain and gets bumped down.

Don't stress too much about marneus..in his next incarnation he appears to keep his options for artificer or termie (so both models will still be valid) and he'll get a lot better.(just a reminder that thats a good thing)

Vet squad is going to turn into the sternhammer and vanguard squadrons in autumn you may wish to hold off on doing much with them until you know what you can do with them (if you see what I mean)
Heres what they will become in autumn so you can be prepared..
http://warseer.com/forums/showpost.php? ... stcount=59
http://warseer.com/forums/showpost.php? ... stcount=82

Assualt termies have spent a fair amount of time on the shelf but 5th does quite like them (dispersal after DS, 4+ cover fairly easy, the run rule.. being inside landraiders that have got even tougher, mixed squad layout provides the ability to waste an awesome amount of shots) rumours of next codex giving storm shields a 3+ invulnerable including against shooting have got deathwing players upset ( :lol: have that you loyalists)

Howabout just sticking the close combat droppod dread in the smaller lists instead? that would be quite good ..might overperform- might scatter off the table (= funny :D and good for getting close to enemy objectives to contest them)
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Postby IMF2000 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:13 pm

Thanks for the tips! :D
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Postby IMF2000 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:58 am

I decided to go half and half with my tac squads, half power weapons, half fists. :)
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Postby IMF2000 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:49 pm

Anyway, back on topic ;) Anymore list suggestions? :P

MOD EDIT:
ive split the off topic posts into their own thread here: Re: Marneus Calgar/2xPower Fists 5th ed

sorry about that!

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Postby IMF2000 » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:12 pm

Quick Query;

I'm going to end up with three Rhinos or two Rhinos and a Razorback. Can you see a unit that would benefit particularly well from the third Rhino?
Alternatively I could turn that tank chassis into something else..?


I'll also be working on a project log for my 2nd company Ultramarine Army, hope to get this up soon.
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Postby killmaimburn » Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:48 pm

IMF2000 wrote:Alternatively I could turn that tank chassis into something else..?
Well your light on heavy slots (not a bad thing, I'm just pointing out you have some spare)
And the easiest thing to strap onto a rhino chassis is a bunch of straws pointed up at a 45 degree arc..
Fancy trying to scratchbuild a whirlwind mount? Got bumped up better in 5th ed. Cheap doesn't do all that much but scares the crap out of hidy guard and eldar folk.
And if it all looks horrible you just don't find a way to attach it on. Or if you decide to points swap out and go blood angels\dark angels then a razorback becomes an Ok idea,(but thats a lot of change just to use a vehicle)

MOD EDIT: ive moved the discussion on scratchbuilding a Whirlwind here: Making a cheap Whirlwind
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