Having finished my CSm ( though still need something for 1750pt games )

The 3 main problem armies over the weekend seemed to be BW Orks / Daemons / Lash CSM ( oops that'll be me then )

So far i've done an Eldar list.... want lots of Dakka from Walkers to reduce hordes and enough A/T and movement to be a pain.

Eldrad............210 pts

6 x Warlock ( jetbikes, 4 destructor and 1 embolden ).......315 pts

Dire Avengers x 5 ( W/S, Bright Lance ).......195pts
Dire Avengers x 5 ( W/S, Bright Lance ).......195pts

5 x Fire Dragons.....80pts

3 x Walkers ( twin Scatter Laser ).....180pts
3 x Walkers ( twin Scatter Laser ).....180pts

Falcon..... ( bright lance )......145 pts

Basically the walkers either outflank or move to a bettedr flanking position with Eldrad
Fire Dragons go in Falcon with Eldrad........

No idea howif it will work but or even bee competative, but I am going borrow a mates Eldar to give it a try.

now to work out a Guard Mech Army............

Haha so bassically your going by the guy that wons list..or least very similar haha! I dont personally like his list. He got very very luck (2 of his opponents rolled a triple 1 which made them lose when they couldhave won)

Warlocks NEED enhance. Take 2 emboldens incase due to alocation you lose 1.

Your warlocks need their own farseer on jetbike. You cant have eldrad fortune them and guide the walkers. Dragons should be in waveserpents not falcons since waveserpents are better up close than falcons.

Falcon should take a EML over a bright lance. You NEED spirit stones and holo fields otherwise the falcon is like a crap over expensive rhino!

I would personaly take a unit of 10 guardians with an EML to hold you base objective. To do any of what ive suggested you need to drop one unit of walkers!

~Alex

Didn't look at the winning guys army................... the idea of 2 units of walkers was anti horde especially to try and slow down Daemons

your right about holofields and stones tho............

ahh fair play haha yeh that lists is bassicaly 80% like his, but it could work! You definatly need the holofields and stones no matter what. My army criples when I lose both my tanks ability to contest (or capture in the case of DAVU tactics) objectives.

~Killswitch

Daimyo52 wrote:now to work out a Guard Mech Army............

Don't do it, no matter how much King sings to the mountains that I was wrong look at the results sheet of the top 40 2 were guard and the highest was King.
(unless its just your hobby army for fun)

Yeah as much as the hype was, guard seems to struggle. Although no distrespect to KIng, to get into the top 20 with guard is down to match-ups and luck if im perfectly honest. In KIngs defense, he did play well from what I saw, so again nothing against him or his arm,y, but guard on a whole struggle. Everyones tried every single top tier guard army they can think of, but still strugle! Eldar are still in the top tiers, as Im still suprised no ones capitalise don the space wolves, which I will be doing for the finals to see what I can do with them!

~Killswitch

I haven't faced a flak cannon spam IG yet.. The web says I should be really scared and go to the potty if I dare read about them.
Anyone faced generic (vendetta troops etc) IG + 3+hydras as a unit +other heavies?
Did they suddenly become borkenzzzz?

Space wolves its a modelling thing..if I can be cheaty and counts as my space marines as wolves..I'm considering it..I'm that F8%&&in' lazy

hahaha lazy git !

yes Ive faced the hydras. They are great, till you realise they are 1 squad and pop them all with the council lol! Infact anything can pop them with a good combat unit. When your opponent does that they tend to tank another tank unit and then youll find their troop units tend to be 3 units of vets which drop like flies! To balance it you take more guardsmen and less guns, but then more killpoints. They just cant hit a good measurement to be really effective in the tourney scene imo.

~Killswitch

here's a thrown together guard list with the above idea in mind......... ( despite KMB's qualms )

Command Squad............3 melta / Medipack /Astropath / 2 bodyguards.....245pts
Chimera

10 Vets.........................3 melta.....100pts
10 Vets.........................3 melta.....100pts
10 Vets.........................3 melta.....100pts

1 Vendetta....................HB............140pts
1 Vendetta....................HB............140pts
1 Vendetta....................HB............140pts

1 Leman Russ Punisher..................180pts
1 Leman Russ Punisher..................180pts

2 Hydra Flak Tanks........................150pts

mount 2 or 3 units of vets in vendetta's and the punishers and hydra dakka......... tanks and maybe hydar's need extra bolter/.stubbers but probably means dropping a vendetta to do it.............

plenty of melta's and a/t plus dakka ( maybe one vet unit gets flamers instead ? )

Looks nic eon papaer doesnt it? Now test it out and watch those 3 units of vets die once they pop off their meltas, or burn once the AV 12 vendettas go down =/!

I think the eldar list, with a bit of tweaking, has better potential!

that list looks like mine.... but i have more plasma. the hydras are something Im going to play with in near future, but having tried three not once to 3 defilers, who targeted them 1st round and killed them, i didn't see true value lol

King

Do you use punishers and how good are they really ???

Well I think they rock persoanlly, and after alot of opposition to their worthyness I continued with them. Stick Pask in one and some MM spons and a Lassie. He can then potentially kill anything on the board, in one round of shooting, baring maybe a 30 man Ork Horde and a full tactical squad. But even the tactical squad might loose their fist or heavy wepaon due to the number of wounds caused. That model was involved heavily in all my games, deciding most of the results... Highly recommended.

I play my 2nd as pur infantry killing.. 29 S5 shots. You should have seen the face of the ork player I had last game. He'd never seen of heard of a Punisher tank... "Yes heavy 20..." lol

Why didn't anyone just get in their and smack it? (let alone all the other stuff they could have done)
Its what I did repeatedly to ones I've faced.. krak grenades make it 300 points of "go away! I'm sleeping" on a 5+