Ok so I’ve done loads of Khorne bike heavy, and I’ve done
tzeentch demon heavy..sticking with chaos whats left??
Don't worry this isn't more than 25 sentences long, I just stick a load of rules questions in it, if you want the short version skip sentences that start with a giant star. (which are repeated out of context at the end for you rules peeps)
So my list
Epidimimus 110
10 Plaguebearers 150
=260
Chaos lord on bike with MON veterans (t6) blightgrenades,melta bomb++ the black mace.-160 (plague marines troops choice)
Sorcerer level 3 no mark, termie armour (135) (Haemorrhage,Invisible and dominate)He had Hatred from chaos traits..(handy)
With 14 cultists 1 heavy stubber (101)
an aegis gun wall(100)
Plague marines veterans with 2 plas sarge has melta bomb rhino 195
Plague marines veterans with 2 plas sarge has melta bomb rhino 195
Plague marines veterans with 2 flamer sarge has melta bomb rhino 175
5 Havocs with MON 4 autocannon 130
2 Obliterators with MON 152
2 Obliterators with MON 152
=1495
==1755
(Bike captain is nurgle bike, cultists skeletons, plaguebearers =plaguemonks..old missile launchers=autocannon)
I cast invisibility constantly on the obliterators you see out in the open throughout.
*IF I’d rolled endurance on Biomancy, and given it to my cultist(MON)+sorcerer squad.having feel no pain would the tally that models with MON and feel no pain now get it on a 3+ apply to them (didn’t come up)
*If a model has jink (bike) and has blight grenades(see defensive grenades BRB)..does this mean I can stack stealh on jink for best saves??
James List was (roughly cos he scribbled it in some insane shorthand)
Lord commissar,power axe carapace, melta bombs (+1 to charge range bubble)95
Lord commissar,power axe carapace, melta bombs 95
Storm Troopers 2xmelta-105
PCS with 4 plas??? (90)
PCS with 4 plas??? (90)
Platoon blob- 3 flamers,3poweraxes,3 melta bombs-210
Platoon blob- 3 flamers,3poweraxes,3 melta bombs-210
Vet 3plas chimera- 170
Vet 3plas chimera- 170
Vet 3 melta chimera- 155
Vendetta 130
Vendetta 130
That’s 1700, but he has “if chis” 65,65,55,55chs b p
No clue what that was I think there were some more small squads?Or more chimera? It was 1750 when he talked me through it..
Mission was Diagonals(vanguard), crusade (just d3(1)+2 mysterious objectives.. is got first on both setup rolls.. I put one in my base (it was a grav wave generator so no assaulting me
).. James was the one that explodes on a 1 if your camped on it.. I put another just a littlein front of the terrain piece I’d decided was mine.
So already a few things not working for LH, you’ve read previously me moaning about 2 vs 1 objectives when the 2 is dug in.
We set up* Can I place a gun emplacement from the aegis in/on a ruin? LH said I could.Does it matter if the aegis wall is wrapped around it?
I set up all on, (bar demons) nurgle biker up front, oblits along the far edge for some sweet side shots/beatsticking, autocannons beside phalanx of cultists on terrain, rhinos of PMs surround me.
LH puts down his giant platoon blobs and 2 chimera of plas (all the rest in reserve)..he sets up just shy of any cheeky diagonal range shenanigans.
I go first
Me Turn 1, LH doesn’t want to steal initiative. Epi+plaguebearers land (and run back to my base).
Autocannons and oblits open up killing 8 or so (tally) Bike zooms to awesomely out of the way spot.
LH T1, His chimeras light me up, take a few shots..front giant blob makes a move for the bike,,manages to get one guy into line of sight..Declares a charge. I kill the guy who can see me
Lord kicks but, kills a few.. combat resolved. Leadership test, move up stuff. Then black mace (they’re closer due to it being “end of the phase, which we took to be after resolution).. toughness tests kill many. (we consider these to be part of the tally?*
* he refuses the challenge (he refuses all challenges)with a guy who is outside of combat range (still part of the squad).is there any rule on ranges for challenges, either for bringing in noncombatants who are locked, or not losing attacks by having one outside combat range miss his turn
* The guy who could see me is now dead, does this stall the charge..we believed
LOS was only relevant at time charge was declared we’re passed that now so the rest of the squad can still charge in.even though they *now* don't have
LOS.
My turn 2.I start the very slow process of replacing my cultists with my plaguebearers, I move my rhinos up.I take lascannon oblit shots at chimera, kill 1, glance 1…Tally now high enough that I have ignores saves bolters/flamers/laspistols and all
CCW inc the black mace.
* What counts for the tally, we counted sweeping advance, we didn’t count running off the table. We counted wounds from artefacts, we didn’t count spells (but only because he didn’t have MON). We did count passengers inside explodes vehicles, we didn’t count radius blast from 3rd party objects blowing up (it was just a quick mash bash judgement to save time)
*Can the black mace be made ap1 by the tally.. like monstrous creatures make it Ap1 (If so my nurgle biker lord may be a new awesome template).
**Doe the black mace *curse* work out wounds model by model, or do you get to do
CCW shenanigans and place the failed toughness tests on models you want..We figured it picked on models.
His 300 point blob is down to 8 men due to all the attacks my MON+bike T6 is proving resilient to power axes..(lucky since I didn’t have the points to buy the guy an invulnerable)
LHturn2His vendettas fly on (one far left ,one in the middle looking suspiciously like a homemade drop pod)..I fire react shot with interceptor quad gun take a HP off.
3 chimeras full of vets zoom up the right board edge towards my base.Storm troopers land behind my blocker role rhino. His stormtroopers MISS!!. And then it takes his chimeras to take it out.. much less guns hitting my plaguemarines, who now have T5, 3+ fnp, on top of blight grenade cover+crater(in a certain range)wound on a 2+ with in effect poweraxes and plasbolters. He focuses the guns he has left on them..kills2.
Smoke on the rhinos protects them from the hail of vendettas, until 1 blows at the back. But that’s it.. his whole army has done what they can do and its killed 2 rhinos and 2 plaguemarines.
(I’m worried the game has gone south LH still has a little optimism
)
My Turn 3My squads advance for the big push, I immobilise centre rhino trying to get to optimal flamer position on his Warlord led blob.
Cultists and sorcerer wipe out stormtroopers with their MON+20tally armour piercing lasguns.
4 obliterators firing assault cannons fail to glance flyers, and aegis has already used interceptor.. but it doesn’t matter,because middle plague marine squad have shot with plasma.. 6 to hit, 6 to pen6 to explode and the droppod-vendetta crashes to the ground in a firey mess.WOOOO!
3 Plague marines on the right have climbed out of the wreck towards second blob.. only to find that 2ap1 flamers and plasbolter of death have made assulat over there impossible.. so instead they take out the nearest chimera (lucky)
*With the flamer hits model closest at one point was Lord commissar (
IC), who passed a lookoutsir, giving it to a sergeant..LH then suggested he would then do a lookout sir on the seargent to a gribbly next along. I said chain lookout siring wasn’t permitted.. but figured it was worth checking with you lot.
Lord still chomping through the giant blob, its shrunk and due to our reading of “model” its lost a few of its poweraxes..I take it down to just the lord commissar on one wound..
LH TURN3He moves his giant (still a bit on fire)blob towards my plaguemarines(first rankfiresecond rank fire),along with PCS with plasma on the flanks.. The vendetta catapults across the table.
All his plasma and all his blob everything shooting at the uber buffed plaguemarines.. and kill 1 bolter 1 flamer.(they just took 500+points of shooting to the face and lol’d)
Lord on bike finally kills commissar lord and moves off.
His right hand side chimera squad open up, and kill 2 plaguemarines leaving me with just the sarge with melta bomb.
My Turn 4.Cultists move forward to my second objective (it’s a 2=nothing)
My bike goes around the terrain piece for a side shot on the chimera (in the end takes it out in close combat)
**He overwatches me, I claim good cover “can I take cover?” I say yes, because it’s a normal shooting attack..I have moved on a bike,I am within 8” so I get jink+stealth against overwatch.
I plant a melta bomb on it it explodes real pretty.
Lone sarge on right stumbles through hail of fire to plant a melta bomb on a chimera that has withstood autocannon spam..I think LH wanted it to die to free up his troops(?) but instead they are pinned.(LH not impressed).
Epi fires the now fully operationall quad gun at the vendetta along with lascannons from the 4 oblits and take out the last flyer.
Central plaguemarines slowly trudge up to giant blob 1 ap awesome flamer, 1 precision boltpistol kills a sarge, 1 regular. Loads of attacks.LH is amazed by how his 30 man blob is no more after only 3 flamer hits and a swift charge to the face.
LH turn 4. he has a pinned unit, he has a blob nearly melted,he has a vet squad in an exploded chimera who shoot at my
HQ, but super cover within range means I take one wound(so I’m on my last but fully viable).
I believe LH would have let me tidy the table with a turn 5 but we look at each other and nod that its done.
I have first blood, I have line breaker one way or another, 2 objectives safe
He has 1 objective (far left there is a lone man out of LOS hid inside the ruin..Pretty brutal.
And those rules questions again if TL:DR/ want easy quote*1IF I’d rolled endurance on Biomancy, and given it to my cultist(MON)+sorcerer squad.having feel no pain would the tally that models with MON andfeel no pain now get it on a 3+ apply to them (didn’t come up)
*2If a model has jink (bike) and has blight grenades(see defensive grenades BRB)..does this mean I can stack stealh on jink for best saves??
*3 Can I place a gun emplacement from the aegis in/on a ruin? LH said I could.Does it matter if the aegis wall is wrapped around it?
*4 The guy who could see me is now dead, does this stall the charge..we believed
LOS was only relevant at time charge was declared we’re passed that now so the rest of the squad can still charge in.even though they *now* don't have
LOS.
*5 he refuses the challenge (he refuses all challenges)with a guy who is outside of combat range (still part of the squad).is there any rule on ranges for challenges, either for bringing in noncombatants who are locked, or not losing attacks by having one outside combat range miss his turn
*6 What counts for the tally, we counted sweeping advance, we didn’t count running off the table. We counted wounds from artifacts, we didn’t count spells (but only because he didn’t have MON). We did count passengers inside explodes vehicles, we didn’t count radius blast from 3rd party objects blowing up (it was just a quick mash bash judgement to save time)
*7Can the black mace be made ap1 by the tally.. like monstrous creatures make it Ap1 (If so my nurgle biker lord may be a new awesome template).
*8*Doe the black mace *curse* work out wounds model by model, or do you get to do
CCW shenanigans and place the failed toughness tests on models you want..We figured it picked on models.
*9With the flamer hits model closest at one point was Lord commissar (
IC), who passed a lookoutsir, giving it to a sergeant..LH then suggested he would then do a lookout sir on the sergeant to a gribbly next along. I said chain lookout siring wasn’t permitted.. but figured it was worth checking with you lot.
*10*He overwatches me, I claim good cover “can I take cover?” I say yes, because it’s a normal shooting attack..I have moved on a bike,I am within 8” so I get jink+stealth against overwatch.