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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby killmaimburn » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:13 am

KInG wrote: and shoot backwards at all those guys trying to shoot me up the arse lol
your on very manueverable bikes, he is in a thing locked to move certain directions... you get to shoot first..you take him out.. Stab the hand thats trying to push the button= no more nukes. This argument is pure 'I don't wanna know tactics'

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MLs are good, I stand Azrael with them for a 4+ Inv. On a test roll it took 4 MLs 10 turns to do 10 HPs at AV12. I work on 5 HPs for them coz of the regen. So 2 dev squads should take them down in half that time; 5 turns say... they come on turn 2 or 3 mainly so thats 1 dead by end of game...
Good grief if that 5 man is a min squad attaching the IC thats 385 points for 4xstr7
Why not just take aegis with quadgun and a 5 man tactical squad 170 (same points as the basic dev squad) which adds twinlinked and interceptor to your 4 shots.(if you insist you can add a missile launcher to the squad)
Or yes 3 autocannon lascannon preds, don't care about baleflamer 40 points cheaper than your 1 dev squad IC combo.. chucking out 6 lascannon shots and 6autocannon shots..
The devastator squads, and especially flak are a trap of badly pointed stuff..
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I will do as Toby recommended next time... I don't like snap firing at them, but thats what needs to happen. Everything needs to kill it asap. :(
Yes everything needs to kill it, but shots to the rear by your mobile ninjas, shots to the front by your static, don't point sink into them just have lots of them.Be prepared to run to a different place to make shots even more effective.And if necessary just kill everything before they turn up. Easy :P
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby BANE » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:05 am

The reason for Azreal and dev combo is that his list is currently playing me and si, so Azreal is with them to protect from my vanguard vets tearing up his rear ech units
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby killmaimburn » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:43 am

post del, wrong maths.
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby KInG » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:01 pm

Never thought about the ageis defence line until is mentioned it and now Toby. Will look at that now actually, thx.
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby KInG » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:01 pm

What's ur thoughts on the fortress or R'.
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby killmaimburn » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:25 pm

I'm currently reevaluating it, I'm a massive fan of the aegis, I have a legit one borrowed, but its dead easy to homebrew one.

I believe the bastion is superior in some instances 4 heavy bolters "typically"(open to some friendly rules abuse) facing stupid directions and av14 for 25 more is better in some instances, e.g. I sometimes box myself in on terrain heavy tables with the aegis and the bastion has better LOS.
The fortress is expensive, I'm still trying to figure out a reason to field it.. to make sure you have 28"s of terrain on your table? play tables with more terrain.
For the gun, there are cheaper guns. For the protection?Why would you want 3 and a bit static squads sat in one place before anything else goes down (opponents can just stick an objective closeish to it, to make sure you can't put it where you planned).
I don't have massively positive feelings on the fortress.. but its just from a casual glance at the paperhammer same for the skyshield.I haven't formed a solid view yet.

EDIT its worth noting that fortifications are arguably not yours.. so the more you spend on one,the more bane can stealfrom you (apparently)
bastion vs aegis thread here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/po ... 88510.page
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby KInG » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:25 pm

Yeh he stole my weapons from my ig
who were using it but if u man the battlements it's harder to do that.

As for ageis vs dev squad, the dev squads missile faun hers, while not twin linked, are more versatile. My two dev squads must have accounted for nearly all my kills the other nit vs a massive ork horde. Those templates were DEVASTATING. ;)

Also your 100 ageis with quad can be taken out with a single shot to the gun. :(
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby BANE » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:23 pm

Str 14 weapon?!
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby killmaimburn » Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:53 pm

T7 W2 3+ (4++/cover) to guarantee taking it down with one unit needs 4 lascannons hitting. (or autocannon spam getting really lucky, or 4 plasma chosen in rapid fire (due to needing the 4s to wound, 2/3rds, then half then half etc)) a single unit taking it out in one turn would be a big deal.
(math only educated guesstimation)
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby KInG » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:00 am

Cool. Look forward to it.
My da beat Als BA again tonight.
Vps again but this time it was closer. Although I cheated. Devs weren't taking wounds on battlement as the building was taking damage. We first thought it was only models I building. But it's both it would seem. :(
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