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DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby killmaimburn » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:02 pm

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/01/ ... -meta.html
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DEathwing were there on mass and doing quite well


tourney champ was ravenwing.

· HQ – Sammael – Raven Sword, Adamantite Mantle, Corvex, Night Halo.
· HQ – Librarian – Mastery Level 2, Auspex, Space Marine Bike, Force Staff, Psychic Hood.
· HQ* – Ravenwing Command Squad – 3x – 2 Corvus Hammer, 2 Plasma Talons, Champion w/ Blade of Caliban, Apothecary w/ Narthecium, Standard Bearer w/ Banner of Devastation & Grenade Launcher.
· Troops – Ravenwing Attack Squad – 6x + 1x Atk Bike – 2 Plasmaguns, Multimelta.
· Troops – Ravenwing Attack Squad – 6x + 1x Atk Bike – 2 Flamers, Multimelta.
· Troops – Ravenwing Attack Squad – 6x + 1x Atk Bike – 2 Meltaguns, Multimelta.
· Troops – Ravenwing Attack Squad – 6x + 1x Atk Bike – 2 Meltaguns, Multimelta.
· Troops – Ravenwing Attack Squad – 6x + 1x Atk Bike – 2 Meltaguns, Multimelta.
· Fast Att – Ravenwing Black Knights – 5x – 4 Plasma Talons, Power Sword, 1 Grenade Launcher.

Also chan says
He did get 1st turn for all his games and only the guard player managed to seize. Here's all the list he faced (rough outlines).


Eldrad
Shas’el with Iridium and 2 Shield Drones. (+ something)
5x 12 Firewarriors
1x 3 Guardian Jetbike
1x 10 Kroots
2x 2 Broadsides with 2 Drones
1x 1 Broadside with 1 Drone
3x Dark Reapers
Fortress of Redemption


Lucius
The Masque
1x 10 Daemonettes
1x 10 Noise Marines with 2 Blastmasters
2x 5 Noise Marines with Doomsiren in Rhinos
1x 6 Havoks with ML
1x 6 Havoks with Autocannons
6x Bikers with 2 Meltaguns & Slanesh Mark + FNP Icon
2x Helldrake with Baleflamer
Aegis with Quadgun


Azrael
BA Librarian
BA Assault Terminators (TH/SS)
2x ~8 DA Sniper Scouts
1x 5 Assault Marine with Meltagun
1x 6 Ravenwing Attack Squadron with 2 Meltaguns
1x 3 Ravenwing Black Knights with Grenade Launcher
1x Whirlwind
1x BA Stormraven with TL Lascannon, TL MM, Hurricane Bolters
1x Nephilim Fighter with Avenger, TL Heavy Bolter
1x Baal Predator with Inferno Cannon
1x 6 Devastator with 4 Missile Launcher
Bastion with Icarus.

Company Command Squad
Ordo Malleus Inquisitor w/ Terminator Armour, Nemesis Hammer, Psycannon, Mastery Lvl 1.
Marbo
2x 10 Grey Knight Strike Squad w/ 2 Psycannons
2x 10 Veterans
3x Vendetta
1x 2 Griffons
1x 2 Medusa
1x 5 Purgation w/ 4 Psycannons
Aegis with Quad Gun

Hive Tyrant with Wings, Dual Devourer, Hive Commander
Hive Tyrant with Wings, Dual Devourer
Doom of Malan’thai in a Spore Pod
1x ~10 Ymgarls
1x 2 Zoanthrope in a Spore pod
2x 10 Gaunts
2x Tervigons with Poison, Furious Charge (?)
1x ~18 Gargoyles
2x 1 Mawloc


take from that what you will but i thought you 2 would be intrigued by how they were doing tourney wise.

Alot of the web is answering the "but why take anything not scoring??? ever???" with "F*%*&*&£ing BANNERS for the winnzors" and have been doing for the last month.

BOLS quoting frontline gamers
event overall winner was Alan Bajramovic with his Nids. Alan also won the ETC singles and WargamesCon last year, so he’s been on a hot streak! His Nids were really aggressive, with 2 Flyrants, the Doom and a unit of Zoeys in sPods, Ymgarls, 2 Tervies and a host of Gargoyles. His army relied on reserves, overwhelming amounts of high threat targets and speed
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby BANE » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:36 pm

event overall winner was Alan Bajramovic

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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby Darklighter » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:56 pm

It's odd to hear the Nids doing so well. I've always found that they are better on paper than in practice!
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby killmaimburn » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:59 am

Darklighter wrote:It's odd to hear the Nids doing so well. I've always found that they are better on paper than in practice!
When they say overall they take into account 2 other factors over just tourney results:
battle/tourney (upto 100)
Paint points (upto 50)
Sportsmanship points (upto 50)

it also had a weird number of throwaway points for TOs desired scewed meta e.g. anti min max rule if you kill off a whole section of FOC (e.g. 3 lone MM attack bikes) you get a battle point on top of any others due for doing such. If you heavy units made it into their deployment zone 1 more than usually given (handy for nids). No mysterious objectives so flyers are that much safer.
Apparently it was only a 70 people tourney.
http://www.tshftopen.com/40K.html
As I say not that much to read into it really, just a first possible indicator for those who look for such.
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby KInG » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:52 pm

There is a large element of that list in mine. Hq choices and wargear are the same.

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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby KInG » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:55 pm

Surprised to see he beat the two helldrake list. Sis two ate my entire army the other night. I had two dev squads with sky fire Mls. And a fighter. And he still ate all the bikes and the troops and devs.

I'm writing a strongly worded letter to jervis this week about them. :(
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby killmaimburn » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:20 am

KInG wrote:Surprised to see he beat the two helldrake list. Sis two ate my entire army the other night. I had two dev squads with sky fire Mls. And a fighter. And he still ate all the bikes and the troops and devs.

I'm writing a strongly worded letter to jervis this week about them. :(

Lol play more bizzatch, being scared of flyers is soooo summer 2012 :lol:
Ways he could have beat them,
p122 "If one player concedes the battle, or his entire army is wiped out, the game ends and acrushing victory goes to his opponent.
Likewise, if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins."

his 4 shot bikes move up and kill the demonettes, the fortification doesn't count as his (I believe) maybe bikes in reserve for counter.. he could have tabled him before they got to come on.
Other way stay the fudge away from them, turning circles if they're all over the place is tricky..
3rd way.. be in combat by the time they turn up
4th way un/lucky rolls.(inc FNP)
5th way greater skillz

Ways you could beat them
Allys.. get something better than those godawful str7 40point per model missile launchers (1 example twinlinked rifleman as a heavy slot in case he can score/ autocannons autocannons..e.g. grey knights inquisitor 5 scoring termies and a psyfleman) or just cheese it and take your own flyerwing(although of course it comes in to its own beating up flyers..it are starscream)

Play mysterious objectives.. they are there to balance out the game.. oh crap I'll head to the command tower that lets my heavy squads have skyfire.
Fortifications- look at those lists everybody and their momma took fortifications. Aegis with quad is cool shooting them as they fly on is kick ass.
Play reserve shenanigans, either through traits or through CSS ally to messes with allys.. so that they turn up late and can be picked off one by one.

It will not die? kill it in one turn.
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby BANE » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:43 am

To be fair the DA codex is lacking AntiAir in my view. I dont see how any list with one flyer didnt beat the list above in at least a game(comp aside) that said OBJ games can be won even by a defeted army, if you hold OBJs with 1 scoring model on each and enemy has whole army left you still win, would need a full battle report for each game really. But what i see in that list it should have major problems at most tournies most of the time.
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Re: DA, NOT MINE, someone show king and LH

Postby killmaimburn » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:51 am

BANE wrote: I dont see how any list with one flyer didnt beat the list .
one flyer, vastly easier
rear armour 10, 8 twinlinked plasma shots and 50 billions bolter shots from something without movement restrictions.. glance down real swift.
Admittidely if it didn't go down thats a lot of the army getting a flamer of death to the face..but my experiences with flyers from guard chaos orks and smurfs are V different to yours.. Only crons give me grief and thats partially because one of the players insisted that they were AV13.

Did you guys play the forgeworld game/ or the pirate GW game with momentum, where you had to take turning circles and timing into effect to lay traps for firing solutions?
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Postby BANE » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:41 pm

Apoligies when i say flyer i mean Stormraven.
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Postby killmaimburn » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:50 pm

But they don't regenerate,ignore minor penetrations,they only threaten troops with an asscan and a missile. Cost more.
Yes stormravens immunity to instant melting to melta and lack of cheap rear armour makes it slightly more resilient to his army .. but its not hurting his army any more.The baleflamer cannon can kill a bike squad a turn if lined up right, its like the flamer landraider.. its only true role is to kill ridiculously expensive meq save models., missile asscan and HB isn't going to kill off an always in cover bike squad a turn.how many failed saves.. anyone do it off the top of their head??I'll think about it whilst I go undercoat some models.
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Postby Ljundhammer » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:33 pm

The baleflamer is million times better (or there abouts) at killing infantry.

360 degree arc, torrent, S6, AP3. Raven has to hit, then get through armour and can only fire in front with most guns. Erm ya, I'll take the dragon...
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Postby BANE » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:24 pm

My point isnt which is better between the dragon or stormraven, its that i cant see how this list would take a SR down.
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Postby killmaimburn » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:29 pm

Doesn't need to...as in its really really low target priority to take out one of those things if your one of these lists.
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Postby KInG » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:58 pm

Ljundhammer wrote:The baleflamer is million times better (or there abouts) at killing infantry.

360 degree arc, torrent, S6, AP3. Raven has to hit, then get through armour and can only fire in front with most guns. Erm ya, I'll take the dragon...


S7 and don't forget, vector strike (again S7 AP3 close combat), regen HPs, Daemon 5+ inv save (who needs jink), reroll misses once per game, and shoot backwards at all those guys trying to shoot me up the arse lol

MLs are good, I stand Azrael with them for a 4+ Inv. On a test roll it took 4 MLs 10 turns to do 10 HPs at AV12. I work on 5 HPs for them coz of the regen. So 2 dev squads should take them down in half that time; 5 turns say... they come on turn 2 or 3 mainly so thats 1 dead by end of game...

I will do as Toby recommended next time... I don't like snap firing at them, but thats what needs to happen. Everything needs to kill it asap.

As for allies, I don't like that part of 6th and won't be mixing codexes. :(
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