Hi, i was just wondering whether any of you guy's go to the 40k GT?

And what do you take?

MarzM

I'm what I'd call "tactically challenged", so I'm not yet ready for a GT. I have a habit of taking units that I like the look of, or want to try out, and rarely take a competitive army. I don't think I could deal with all the exuberance, power-gaming, and rules lawyering. I like to play 40k socially, having a chat with my opponent while playing, sometimes drinking tea/beer (if playing at home or a friends house).

KInG told me he was going to the UK GT this year, but he's hardly been in contact in the past couple of months so I have no idea if he's still going. Due to no FW rules at the GT he'd be a bit stuck anyway as he has a lot of FW units in his armies, like me ...

UPDATE: Just chatted to KInG, he didn't go.

Well i understand your point of view! Yes GT is full of power gamers, however i'd hope that im not one of them. I've played very few people who didn't enjoy playing me. And i only pull people up at GT if they're spoiling my fun. I don't take 40k seriously but i would say that im tactically good. Thats why i get away with taking rubbish armies to GT. I do however have terrible luck! At the final last year i played against an infiltrating black legion and my imp guard tanks rolled onto the table in turn 7. Yes i did say 7, (random game lenght) just in time to meet the bloodthirster waiting on them! My friends are a lot more competitive than me. Duncan even won last year, but i muck about too much. I like GT because i get to meet and game against new people. If i took a really beardy army i think i might even be in with a shot of a prize! Athough i don't know what colour it would be.
The army of choice at the moment is once again eldar! sadly i think that they will be every where at the final. If i get there im going to take thousand sons. Im going to try and get nominated for best army. Thats the one i'd really like to win. (think stargate meets dustwing) Because im new to this site i still don't know ant of you's. I try to avoid the GW site because most of the posts are idiotic! I only ever posted to tell people there armies were illegal, or to annoy the mods and get my thread locked by asking GW uncomfortable questions that they didn't like to answer. Like i read the post about you wanting Tim "red knight" to do a Q&A for them, but really whats the point. They'll only dismiss it then bring out one which isn't as good and not thank you for your time or help. I am fairly disallusioned with GW as a whole. I've been playing their games for over 16 years now, and i see how things are going down hill. Perhaps i'm just gettin to old in the tooth.

Actually does tim or yourself spack feel the same? I dunno him or you but how long have you's been playing?

I go to GT in 2 weeks, and i don't know how i feel about it. It's a pain going by myself( i changed jobs so couldn't get time off to go to heat 1 where we usually go).

A bit apprehensive about this new system. Like no offence to my opponents of other years, but i alway's felt that getting to the final was a gimmie. This new system looks very dodgy. If you win 4 games your through seems easy, but if you lose, well there's a big difference between gettin 3 or 7 points in the old system to getting none in the new.

Stil it will be good to see Brian Aderson again. He's a good guy, and i've already been told that i'm gettin a yellow card as soon as i walk in! lol Just to make sure i don't get creative! lol again. Anyway back to the topic at hand. Is anybody else who uses this site going to GT?

hi there have just signed up to this forum, am going to the gt heat 3 for the first time, I wouldnt say that I have a beardy army, I always try to have themed armies rather than power gaming ones, I just go to play different opponents, have fun and t see how people have painted there armies or converted them, I'm really looking forward to it... is that a bad thing???

Hi matty570, welcome to the site.

From the sound of things what you're doing isn't a bad thing, the whole point of the game is to have fun. Can you post a summary of how the GT goes, I haven't been to one and have been put off by my terrible scoring record and the impression I get that the majority of players are "beardy" powergamers, and as a social gamer I don't know if I'd want to be there. If it's not that bad I might give it a go next year, although that means I'll have to actually design and paint an army ... I think my wife will have a heart attack if I manage that

I can't speak for the UK, but in the US GTs I've been to I've faced no more than one powergamingtwitratbastid per year. Most of my opponents have had interesting armies and have been pleasant to deal with. The people with the max Assault Cannon-Star Cannon-Deamon Bomb armies are out there as are the personality challenged. But I can stand one bad game. It's the other fun games against players I've never met before that make it worth doing.

Hi matty 570,

No, being excited about going to GT is'nt a bad thing, I really look forward to it myself. It's a time to meet new people, and catch up with old friends! And yes it's a great laugh. I hope you do well, and make it to the final

And Dan i would kind of like to go to GT in the US, Baltamore is the closes to GB so it would probably be that one, unless you recommend another!

And tell you what Matty, I'll be at GT heat 3, I'll be the one with MarzM on the back of my footy shirt, Introduce yourself and if your over 18, i'll even buy you a pint ( see who sez scotsmen are tight? ). If not it cola for you! I'll be in Bugmans on friday night, probably drinking with another scotsman who works for GW. And i'll be there sat and sun too! well i did mention im a scotsman!

MarzM

Spack wrote:I'm what I'd call "tactically challenged", so I'm not yet ready for a GT. I have a habit of taking units that I like the look of, or want to try out, and rarely take a competitive army. I don't think I could deal with all the exuberance, power-gaming, and rules lawyering. I like to play 40k socially, having a chat with my opponent while playing, sometimes drinking tea/beer (if playing at home or a friends house).

KInG told me he was going to the UK GT this year, but he's hardly been in contact in the past couple of months so I have no idea if he's still going. Due to no FW rules at the GT he'd be a bit stuck anyway as he has a lot of FW units in his armies, like me ...

UPDATE: Just chatted to KInG, he didn't go.

Why can't you use FW material/units in GT's? I thought anything that FW put out was GW sanctioned since its essentially a subsection of GW?

Short answer is that GW play "little Kingdoms". Because forge world is a sister company, and apparently the FW units/vehicals are not play tested proper? ( spot the irony/sarcasm!!) They are deemed to be unbalanced! and so cannot be used!

Personally i think GT is to limited, and brian has been told that manty times be myself, are regular intervals, whether he wanted to hear it or not!

MarzM

MarzM wrote:Short answer is that GW play "little Kingdoms". Because forge world is a sister company, and apparently the FW units/vehicals are not play tested proper? ( spot the irony/sarcasm!!) They are deemed to be unbalanced! and so cannot be used!

That's not what I've been told by FW, and it's certainly not what's written in the IA book introductions. The reason GW don't allow them in tournaments is apparently because they feel that most of the tourney players won't have access to the rules, and so games would be slowed, and not as much fun, because the non-FW players would be checking rules all the time. For kids this is especially true as they don't have the disposable income to fork out for expensive rulebooks.

Ideally FW should put photocopied rules pages in with the kits as appropriate, have all the rules bits available to download, and provide the hardback books as "print-on-demand" or short print runs for those people that really want a full colour bound book of rules and background. As I work in book retail I know what is and isn't possible - and believe me, "print-on-demand" does not mean cheap and nasty books, many of them are high quality (one of our sister companies, a book publisher, uses print-on-demand for some of their titles and they are indistinguishable from a mass produced printed book). This way everyone gets easy access to the rules, and the vets get their nice shiny books (I bought all the hardback volumes as they are really really nice, despite the typos in volumes 3 and 4 - the non-proofed version got printed for those two )

The rules pack states that games are scored the same as footy, 3 pts for a win 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss.

Apparently from a friend who went to gt heat 1, most players were hiding their army till turns 4 or 5 to try and achieve minor victories because a victory is 3 pts so no body is trying to get massacres.

I believe tau are a bugger to play since they can move shoot then move again, also artillery based armies are difficult to play as they just lob round after round.

I'm taking my chaos alpha legion for a spin, which should be interesting as Im not sure how often Ill be allowed to infiltrate everything.

And I'll definately be going for a pint at the break, Ill need it its gonna be a long day!!

MarzM,
I've only gone to the Baltimore GTs and they didn't even have one here in '06.

I think GW basically decided that losing some money on gaming for people who've already bought the product doesn't work for their new business model. It's been interesting watching the company evolve from brother enthusiasts to corporate pickpockets.

But the GTs were fun while they lasted.

Spack man! I'm not sure if your agreeing with me or not!

I think than most forgeworld tanks are fair! Infact i think that you actually pay to many points for some of the forgeworld tanks!

I honestly don't think that new stuff from GW is mean't to be balanced! It's almost gettin beyond a joke! The new army is almost always harder/beardier/nastier than the last. And the new eldar codex just furthers this. Ok so the black templar codex is an exception! But maybe thats because i've never lost to one, and i find them really easy to beat.

And ok so you've said what somebody has told you and thats fine! Officially im sure thats why FW stuff cant be used in GT. But i was aware of the little kingdoms police when i worked for GW and im aware of it now! Thats also the (unofficial) reason why all the FW stuff had to be removed from the shop cabinets in scotland.

As for not having access to the rules, well in the GT packs it sez you must bring all the rules that you need so you would have to have a copy of the rules for the tank you were using!

And yes im worried about hide and seek armies! especially tau! imp guard or chaos with 3 defilers would be a pain too.

Oh and the pint thing stands matty! just say hi!

MarzM

Oh hell, thank you Dan!

I'm afraid brother that this is something that we have had to put up with for years!

I bought something from the GW company in america (because you could not buy it in the UK) and it was damaged, so i was told to contact Black Library UK to sort it out, and basically they didn't want to know! Now i expected this but the rep in the US was horrified!!

So thats what we get! Yes you get other games in the uk, flames of was, hordes, warmachine, confrontation, but GW is a monopoly over here. Basically if a company gets too big like some allegedly did in the late 80's they just by them, and shut them down!

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(age of strife is not responsible for these comments, they are the views of myself and some of the people i know)

GW does not care about vet's or loyal customers, they care about money

lets try not to bash GW too hard, eh? ive seen it get ugly and out of hand far too quickly on other boards (including their own ).

(wow, i did some Moderating! )

back on topic: i dont intend on entering the any Tournaments for a quite a while, unfortunately. its not that i dont want to, or i dont think i would enjoy them (the pressure would take getting used to, though) - like Dan im not exactly what you would call a "fast painter" (myself, i get about 3 models done a year... ). neither my wife or I drive, so we are at the mercies of public transport too. next year my better half hopes to get some driving lessons, but the iminent birth of our first child will have to come first.

once ive got something painted and ready and weve got a car on the road, i fully intend on travelling to events (making a family holiday out of it, seeing the area while we are there). but that will have to wait for quite a while.

cheers

~ Tim