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Chaos Daemons and Chaos Icons, mandatory or a luxury?

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Chaos Daemons and Chaos Icons, mandatory or a luxury?

Postby mortiferum » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:14 pm

So I've observed a couple of Daemon lists here and each of them are devoid of Chaos Icons?

I'm of the mindset that being without an Icon should not even be contemplated. Having said that I've yet to play using my Daemons and therefore don't have any real ingame experience of how 'with icon' and 'without icon' effects the game?

At Xpts per icon I'd be keen to free up the points if they aren't required?

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Postby killmaimburn » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:36 pm

I've only played using the demon codex 3 times (I think)
I took 4 icons (thats *a whole squads worth of icon*)
On evaluation I see that:
to hedge your bets you need 4, you need one for each deployment group and then assuming that the one that has the icon will land perfectly (and or run to an opitmal position) is just cocky.
I found that with the new disruption table dieing can be not quite as bad as you feared (tempered by how much terrain you have).
If someones going to give you a bad day (such as a 200 model army that fill their section of the baord behind a mech screen wall) its going to go wrong anyway..
Fitting stuff around an icon is tricky cramped in some cases (bum rush the icon)
Making a survivable icon is tricky (e.g. 8 bloodletters.. if there are two with icons.. thats 16 guys I need to take out to make you worry,that I was going to shoot at anyway (duh :wink: ).. thats not that hard).. so plaguebearers and tough stuff (or max horrors with changling) become necessary.

I think some of it is lazy modelling (not here of course ;) ) because Icons are a fiddle to get awesome.

Basically its too much, makes a unit an incredible fire magnet if you don't invest and can be of little help in some games anyway..That said I'd playtest something like this a lot more than I have to take that as gospel.. I haven't had time to read the warseer tactica demonica yet but it might have some tips (if you find them drag them back here :) )
BTW I think they made icons prohibitively expensive specifically to stop people making rational chaos (demons are meant to be random its RAW- I just wish possesed and dreadnoughts weren't stupid.. stupid isn't chaotic its just stupid)
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Postby KInG » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:03 pm

I used to have an Icon in each half of my list, but dropped them soon after as they rarely went where I wanted them, or got shot to shit.

Now I just DS close and run th risks... best to loose the icons, take another unit, that gives u 1 more to loose while DS'ing ;)
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