ANybody got them both and a side by side pic.

I know the Catachans have a reputation of being bulky and over muscular, I would like to see how much please.

The newer catachan models are much better - The old ones had bisceps larger than the marines shoulder pads, but the newer models have been scaled back. I've got a guard army based on cadian models but in order to create some veterans I purchased the catachan command box and an infantry box and mixe them with the equivalent in cadians - my vets now run round in a mix of fatigues, some with cadian kevlar and some catachan vests - some with bare arms, some with shirts. They mix well, and look realistic now. If I get chance later I'll do a couple of pics for you.

I would be grateful if you would please.

It may be that the older more muscular style is what I am after.

As promised: image includes on left 2 standard pattern cadian models, then in centre two veteran conversions using the arms from the catachan sprues, then on right an old marine for comparation purposes.

That answers what I needed, thank you Herne, and bahhh humbug on your painting!

Those bare arms work really well with the cadian bodies. Excellent for veterans, combat engineers and mad demo charge special weapon teams!

Mixing the in the heavy weapon team kits can make even more awesome combos.