Saving Sisters and Knights

Ben · by **Ben** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:03 pm

Here is a thread I started over on Warseer.

With the increase in pricing we will be seeing fewer Inquisition forces. I was trying to think of what could be done by Games Workshop to keep them as a viable force. Now as I understand the most recent statement they wish to press forward with more plastics. Here is the sentence that best supports that.
This has also encouraged us to accelerate our plans for expanding our plastic kit range even more quickly so keep a look out for new projects in the future.

So with that in mind I am trying to think of what could be done to add the Inquisition as a viable force.

There are some assumptions I have made. If they are in error please point out to me where so we can get on the same page.

1. The demand for Daemon Hunters and Witch Hunters were never high.
2. The Xeno Hunters would be part of a combined Codex.
3. The new Codex would be written in a way to allow combined units from all Ordos.
4. There would be 5-7 new plastic kits.

This thread is primarily about number 4. I won't presume to say how exactly the Codex should be written but instead I am try to think of what limited kits could be released which would allow for the greatest demand and allow those plastic kits to pay for themselves.

I see a need for the following

Plastic Sisters of Battle (10 Sisters Box)
Plastic Grey Knights in Power Armor (10 GK Box)
Plastic Upgrade Box
- Upgrade for Terminators
- Heavy Weapons for Sisters and GK
- Special Weapons for both
- Psycannon for Dreadnought

Currently they have metal upgrade bits packs for Death Watch and they could create an upgrade bits packs to turn the new Plastic Sisters into Seraphim but I think they should create those in plastic as now is a great opportunity. They could sell a box like the DA or BT Upgrade box. To make DW you pick up a SM box and use those bits (increased sales). To make Serph you must pick up the Sisters box. It would be like the Terminator upgrade which would require the Terminator box.

Unless the rules change greatly I don't see the Repentia being in high demand. The Empire flagellants were redone so I don't know that there is really an opportunity for a "Sisters of Sigmar/Repentia" crossover box like they had for daemons. Penitent Engines are another model that can't go plastic unless the rules over overhauled. Without major changes to the way Assassins work, those won't sell in high enough volume to justify going plastic. That is also true for Inquisitors (and Lords and by extension retinues).

So what else could be part of Codex: Inquisition and made in plastic?

Thanks.

Do you guys have any ideas?

LordMalekTheRedKnight · by **LordMalekTheRedKnight** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:31 pm

Plastic Storm Troopers - Released as part of the IG range (and therefore counting against the IG's quota of plastic kits

) .

~ Tim

Ben · by **Ben** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:47 pm

That is what I was thinking as well. IG will already be coming and I see the Inquisition being a good follow on since they can use so many of the same models.

I don't know what would happen to the allies rule.

KInG · by **KInG** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:33 pm

As your about to recieve all my DH army I don't care now

lol

Joking aside, plastics for the main troops choices is the main ones to ge out in plastic, which you have covered.

I would like to see hem get access to an equivalent SM Dev unit, maybe also in plastic, as they would be snapped up to give the much needed Anti Tank option. This would also allow them to stop messing with the allies rule, as they would be then self sufficent. Or just give them some IG heavy weapon options in th codex as an army list choice, creating more sales for those kits.

Ben · by **Ben** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:43 pm

You know that would be a good way around allies. Just have Stormtroopers, Infantry Squads, Leman Russ, etc. in the Codex.

HOBO · by **HOBO** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:13 am

I don't think that GW do Market Research (I might be wrong), but I reckon they should on this one because seen as WH and DH are such poor sellers they would want to make sure the sales volumes were there before expending a lot of Dosh on new Casts and such...wouldn't they?

I'm like KInG...just sold my entire 3K of Pure GK, and it's very unlikely I'll take them up again regardless if they are in plastic or not, but they would need to make the Core FOC choices plastic to entice enough people to take them up to ensure high Sales volume...to me anyhow.

But yea something needs to be done, as nearly everything I see and hear about the Inquisition Forces recently is all negative which is sad.

Angelwing · by **Angelwing** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:30 am

The core troops with plastic heavy and special weapons included like the space marine box sets. They have the tanks already, and things like assassins would stay metal.
A plastic inquisitor kit to make any of the orders would be cool.

What I really want to see though is any news on an update codex / codex alien hunters. I have a few models stashed away for the alien hunters in anticipation.

killmaimburn · by **killmaimburn** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:43 am

LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:Plastic Storm Troopers - Released as part of the IG range

i thought they already had.. what is it that ljundhammer uses?

Angelwing wrote:What I really want to see though is any news on an update codex / codex alien hunters.

About the only thing I can offer is remember that they just took away 1/3rd of codex xenos in the smurf dex vets unit (everything but the heavy bolter with suspensors and there is a rumour that scouts get something like that or like the old vets version) They could fill all the gaps with smurfs on that excuse .. but that would make them really bland

KInG wrote:I would like to see hem get access to an equivalent SM Dev unit,

You mean like purgation squads and retributors or do you mean they should have access to a 3rd more basic and versatile unit (current allys but without restrictions on heavys..where is that cheesums smiley).
I worry about codex xenos... its been on the back foot for a long time.. they have to keep up all their committed stuff, including their modelling scultping stuff (they've just announced 6 new necron lords i think

which is a nother reason why i just roflol when malek said that squats would be sculpted for 5th) yes they have to update the 2 codexs..but I fear for the sisters.. they have a lot of complex rules that make them V competative and I don't see them being merged in a gentle\buffing manner.

So what else could be part of Codex: Inquisition and made in plastic?

Well I'd say the first bit is too project what will be in the codex..I'd look at the new smurf and chaos codex..I'd count how many FA Heavy troop elite and HQ choices they have available to them and then start by pruning off the duplicates and then the over specialist variants of lists replace with generic\ and or ally where appropriate units (although don't expect them to be a link if they are there they will take up one of your finite slots of contents of the book) I suggest looked to an unloved unit and expect some strange bump..and some very strange absenses (e.g. without even having glanced at projected rumours I'd say that elite level inquisitors will be fighting with their HQs for space in the codex and only one will win.)

LordMalekTheRedKnight · by **LordMalekTheRedKnight** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:49 am

killmaimburn wrote:
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:Plastic Storm Troopers - Released as part of the IG range
i thought they already had.. what is it that ljundhammer uses?

OK, OOP "green beret"style, non-Carapace Armour, basic trooper only, 10+ year old, single pose snap-fits aside. :roll:

~ Tim

Ben · by **Ben** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:30 pm

HOBO wrote:I'm like KInG...just sold my entire 3K of Pure GK, and it's very unlikely I'll take them up again regardless if they are in plastic or not, but they would need to make the Core FOC choices plastic to entice enough people to take them up to ensure high Sales volume...to me anyhow.

Do you happen to have some bits left over from the purge?

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Looking at Chaos they have 7 named HQ's, 3 generic HQ's, 4 Elite, 5 Troops, 2 Fast Attack, 6 Heavy Support, and 2 daemon types.

Well I am thinking this for the Codex...

HQ
Inquisitor Lord
GK Hero
Cannoness
Kill Team Commander

Elite
Terminators (GK and possible DW)
Veteran Squad (Celestians, Xeno Specialist Kill Team, etc.)
Assassins
Inquisitor
Daemonhost (with restrictions)
Arco Flagellates
Zealots (Empire Flagellates, Repentia, Xeno Mercenaries)

Troops
Power Armor Grey Knights
Sisters of Battle
Kill Team
Stormtroopers

Fast Attack
Grey Knight Teleport Attack
Seraphim
Speeders (because why not)
Hellhound

Heavy Support
Rhino Chassis Tansks
Land Raider Chassis Tanks
Leman Russ Chassis Tanks
Grey Knight Dreadnought
Penitent Engines
Orbital Strike

What do you think? Someone suggested having the PE changed to a plastic kit based upon the Sentinel.