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Thinking of doing IG (From Warseer)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:20 pm
by ThePatriot
I've been thinking of doing Imperial Guard for my next army, but I'm in a quandry over which era of miniature to use. I'm torn between using Adriadna Infinity or The Foundry's American War of Independence Continental miniatures. Any suggestions for doctrines to accompany these miniature ranges as well the models themselves?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:58 pm
by ThePatriot
A simple bump to go along with possible doctrines for AWI figs.

Rough Riders, Close Order Drill, Die Hards, Sharpshooters, and Veterans

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:01 pm
by jlong05
Sorry, I would have posted as I think Guard are great, but alas I have never actually played them nor do I really own any. My buddy built an entire Guard army of Tallarn(neat task considering its all metal). But as for doctrines I have no idea as I don't understand the codex.

EDIT: You may also consider a simple bump. The negative connotations can put many off. You have only allowed for 24 hours for a response. Not everyone plays every army, so its not a guarantee you are going to get feedback so quickly. Although AoS is getting many more hits than before, its still not getting the volume that Warseer or others get so you have to be a bit more patient for responses. cheers :)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:15 pm
by LordMalekTheRedKnight
jlong05 wrote:EDIT: You may also consider a simple bump. The negative connotations can put many off. You have only allowed for 24 hours for a response. Not everyone plays every army, so its not a guarantee you are going to get feedback so quickly. Although AoS is getting many more hits than before, its still not getting the volume that Warseer or others get so you have to be a bit more patient for responses. cheers :)

seconded. you dont need to take it personally if you dont get replies straight away here - this site runs at a slower pace than the big forums (something i am greatful for, personally, as it allows me more time away from the PC without missing anything).

to make matters worse, we even have some of our members away this week ( http://www.ageofstrife.com/modules.php? ... opic&t=677), and to top it off last night was Bonfire Night here in the UK, so i bet a lot of us were out at fireworks displays etc (i know i was).

maybe next time, post a quick update to bump the thread (remember to include actual content, as bumping is against Forum Rule #7: http://www.ageofstrife.com/modules.php? ... opic&t=114) - for example, whether you had thought of anything to add to your original post, or if you had come closer to making a decision etc.

i read your thread on Warseer and while that got plenty of responses it didnt seem to go too well (at least not to start with)... so maybe the peaceful lack of response (so far) here was a good thing. ;)

im saying this with my "Mod hat" on: even if you dont mean to cause offense, you need to be aware of how others may take what you say. rather than: "Thank y'all for all the help." (which is quite easy to take as sarcasm considering that there hadnt been any replies yet, and as a result could put people off from replying at all), why not try something like: "Thanks again in advance for any help." (which doesnt sound impatient or like you have given up on the thread, and is far more likely to encourage a positive response).

anyway, on topic: something worth bearing in mind is that lots of people stick to using GW models (either because they need to in order to play in GW stores/events, or because they choose to collect the official models), so the project you are comtemplating isnt going to appeal to a lot of people. its also army specific, so those who dont know IG well wont have much to add constructively.

personally, i prefer the Infinity models by a long shot (they feel more at home in the 40K universe). as for Doctrines, the ones you have settled on (WS post #33) seem appropriate, although i would suggest Light Infantry instead of Die Hards myself.

that said, i dont have any real interest in non-GW models (only non-GW suff i use is Terrain, dice, tools etc), and this isnt the sort of thing i would do myself (which is why i hadnt posted before i read your WS thread, to be honest). once you paint and convert some of the models to look more 40K-ish then i will probably be more into them, though.

in the meanwhile, why not summarise your thoughts from your Warseer thread (for example, i noticed you had started playing round with lists of Doctrines etc, which might spark peoples imagination)? i expect that would get a much better (and more positive) response than your last post. a link would be cool too.

hope that helps :)

~ Tim
(AoS Mod)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:31 pm
by ThePatriot
I posted it over here because I didn't like the tone people were using and telling me to use GW figs instead of answering the question I asked. That dominated the first page with the second one dominated by Gweed telling me how the Continentals were like when I knew what they were like beforehand.

As far as people only collecting GW models that's their perrogative and they're short changing themselves for a lot of opportunities on conversions etc... GW is not the only miniature manufacturer in the world. Also, I game at a friend's house now and forgo playing at GW. I'm not shackled by GW's lame rules on what miniatures I can bring to the table. Even still if someone had a great idea for converting existing models for say Sisters I would give them advice to help them achieve it. Rendering help should not include someone's own bias against a certain line of figs just because they don't have the GW name and price tag attached to them. Would it make you feel better if I went with the Perry Brother's AWI figs instead?

EDIT: Why would you choose Light Infantry as a doctrine? I'm curious to understand your reasoning behind it. What other doctrines would you recommend for AWI as well as doctrines for Adriadna.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:57 pm
by LordMalekTheRedKnight
ThePatriot wrote:Rendering help should not include someone's own bias against a certain line of figs just because they don't have the GW name and price tag attached to them. Would it make you feel better if I went with the Perry Brother's AWI figs instead?

you missed my point.

its not a case of people refusing to help because they dont want you to use non-GW figures. in order for someone to get excited about an idea and join in a discussion about it they need to be interested in the first place, and if you want to brainstorm then people need to have their imagination sparked. if people cant imagine building or playing against a force like this (because such a thing would be totally alien to them), its going to be hard for them to get their creative juices flowing because of it. if people arent interested and inspired, then they wont have much to say.

theres also the problem of people being turned off models (and therefore the idea of using them) because they look out of place alongside the current 40K range (and i bet even the Tau suffer because of this). by adding 40K icons and weaponry (as i suggested) you can help alleviate this, but pics of the original models painted and based for a different game system wont help people imagine them fitting in on a 40K table.

some people only like using painted models. others insist on WYSIWYG. some only want to use the newer versions of the models made for the army. and some dont like using non-GW (or even non-40K) parts. you have to accept that different people like playing different ways, and have different self-imposed standards. some people just like collecting GW to the exclusion of all else.

its great to try to widen peoples' horizons when it comes to alternate manufacturers (GW's propaganda meant it took me years as a wargamer to realise that its not just "the GW hobby"), but it needs to be done nicely and respectfully. theres a big difference between pointing out cool models made by other companies and berating people for being narrow minded because they stick to what GW makes.

and as i said above, even if you dont mean to offend people you need to be careful to consider how they may take what you say.

cheers

~ Tim
(AoS Mod)

EDIT - on topic:
ThePatriot wrote:EDIT: Why would you choose Light Infantry as a doctrine? I'm curious to understand your reasoning behind it.

it was this page that made me think of LI:
http://www.infinitythegame.com/eng/rtdo ... The%20Army

combined with the fact that while Veterans makes a good Doc choice, it doesnt affect your compulsory Troop choices, while LI allows you to add character to Infantry Platoons.

ThePatriot wrote:What other doctrines would you recommend for AWI as well as doctrines for Adriadna.

for the Adriana, i like Veterans, Sharpshooters, Droop Troops and Light Infantry - they seem appropriate, looking at the models. :)

il be honest, im not really inspired by the AWI figures at all (either as a range/period in their own right or as a 40K force) - Close Order Drill and Sharpshooters is about all ive got. :(

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:08 pm
by ThePatriot
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:
ThePatriot wrote:Rendering help should not include someone's own bias against a certain line of figs just because they don't have the GW name and price tag attached to them. Would it make you feel better if I went with the Perry Brother's AWI figs instead?

you missed my point.

its not a case of people refusing to help because they dont want you to use non-GW figures. in order for someone to get excited about an idea and join in a discussion about it they need to be interested in the first place, and if you want to brainstorm then people need to have their imagination sparked. if people cant imagine building or playing against a force like this (because such a thing would be totally alien to them), its going to be hard for them to get their creative juices flowing because of it. if people arent interested and inspired, then they wont have much to say.

theres also the problem of people being turned off models (and therefore the idea of using them) because they look out of place alongside the current 40K range (and i bet even the Tau suffer because of this). by adding 40K icons and weaponry (as i suggested) you can help alleviate this, but pics of the original models painted and based for a different game system wont help people imagine them fitting in on a 40K table.

some people only like using painted models. others insist on WYSIWYG. some only want to use the newer versions of the models made for the army. and some dont like using non-GW (or even non-40K) parts. you have to accept that different people like playing different ways, and have different self-imposed standards. some people just like collecting GW to the exclusion of all else.

its great to try to widen peoples' horizons when it comes to alternate manufacturers (GW's propaganda meant it took me years as a wargamer to realise that its not just "the GW hobby"), but it needs to be done nicely and respectfully. theres a big difference between pointing out cool models made by other companies and berating people for being narrow minded because they stick to what GW makes.

and as i said above, even if you dont mean to offend people you need to be careful to consider how they may take what you say.

cheers

~ Tim
(AoS Mod)


Nope I got your point head on. I posted pics of the existing figs to help spark the imagination. First it's 'since there's not art I cannot think of what you're trying to accomplish' to 'it's not GW therefore it's bad!'. Sparking the imagination should not be like pulling teeth to get an honest to goodness answer.

Also, I don't care if people get offended because people do not have the right to not be offended. If they take something the wrong way then that's on them. I refuse to play the PC bs game and walk on eggshells because I might hurt their little feelings. I'm an adult and so are they. They should act like one not act like they're still in kindergarten and go running to the teacher because ThePatriot said something bad or they disagree with. If you don't like what I say that's on you since I am respectful and do not cuss people out nor usually use profanity. I tell it like it is without a sugar coating and I've always been like that. Life is rough and sometimes, golly gee, a person will not like you for whatever imagined reason they think of. Been through too much of that popularity bs to even be concerned with it at my nearly 4 decades of life.

Fair enough on your reasons for the AWI stuff. I'm a student of history and I think some of the most colorful units are the ones found in history. I love the uniforms and kit they wore hence the reason why I chose them over the GW IG figs. Afterall, I can just see these guys sitting next to my Sisters on the battlefield due to my Order finding the planet the AWI guys were on and stuck at the 18th century style of equipment.

Ahh I see that you were talking about Adriadnas and not AWI for Light Infantry. Makes sense and I like the doctrines you've picked out since they make sense.

The thing that is heavily influencing me to go with the AWI or the Adriadna is the price. For me to field an 1850 force of AWI costs about $500 and for Adriadna about $1,000. AWI is half the cost and being blue collar puts the Adriadna out of my price range for a full army. Maybe as a CP or a KT I'll do them later.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:27 pm
by jlong05
ThePatriot wrote:Also, I don't care if people get offended because people do not have the right to not be offended. If they take something the wrong way then that's on them. I refuse to play the PC bs game and walk on eggshells because I might hurt their little feelings. I'm an adult and so are they. They should act like one not act like they're still in kindergarten and go running to the teacher because ThePatriot said something bad or they disagree with. If you don't like what I say that's on you since I am respectful and do not cuss people out nor usually use profanity. I tell it like it is without a sugar coating and I've always been like that. Life is rough and sometimes, golly gee, a person will not like you for whatever imagined reason they think of. Been through too much of that popularity bs to even be concerned with it at my nearly 4 decades of life.

And its this sort of attitude that I think causes most people to not even bother to respond. You are correct, You never cuss people out and as you said rarely use profanity, which honestly I appreciate, but the attitude you bring because you get 'your' feelings hurt because 'you' have a point to make that no one else seems to share is getting a bit tiresome. My original post was simply a honest try at suggesting why you may not have received any feedback. This post is now simply to say you won't get any additional feedback from me. Its simply not worth my time either. :?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:34 pm
by ThePatriot
jlong05 wrote:
ThePatriot wrote:Also, I don't care if people get offended because people do not have the right to not be offended. If they take something the wrong way then that's on them. I refuse to play the PC bs game and walk on eggshells because I might hurt their little feelings. I'm an adult and so are they. They should act like one not act like they're still in kindergarten and go running to the teacher because ThePatriot said something bad or they disagree with. If you don't like what I say that's on you since I am respectful and do not cuss people out nor usually use profanity. I tell it like it is without a sugar coating and I've always been like that. Life is rough and sometimes, golly gee, a person will not like you for whatever imagined reason they think of. Been through too much of that popularity bs to even be concerned with it at my nearly 4 decades of life.

And its this sort of attitude that I think causes most people to not even bother to respond. You are correct, You never cuss people out and as you said rarely use profanity, which honestly I appreciate, but the attitude you bring because you get 'your' feelings hurt because 'you' have a point to make that no one else seems to share is getting a bit tiresome. My original post was simply a honest try at suggesting why you may not have received any feedback. This post is now simply to say you won't get any additional feedback from me. Its simply not worth my time either. :?


And what attitude do you see coming from text that has no inflection nor intonation in it? It's only what you want to see that is in the text. Just remember that. I never stated my feelings were hurt as it's hard to hurt someone's feelings that you do not know. An old adage is, "You only hurt the ones you love because strangers don't give a hoot." It's quite true since strangers do not invest emotional attachments to statements from people they do not know. I asked a question and got no reply, so I thanked everyone for their help. If you hadn't noticed but I'm a southerner and even if someone doesn't render help you still thank them. It's called common courtesy and a lost art in this day and age of pc walk on eggshells talking.

If you hadn't noticed, but I accepted your reasons for not replying through silent ascension. The bulk of this conversation has been with Tim. To which I must thank for the intelligent discourse thus far and patience with me.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:11 pm
by LordMalekTheRedKnight
ThePatriot wrote:Sparking the imagination should not be like pulling teeth to get an honest to goodness answer.

you created the thread and then waited just 24 hours before making what felt like a sarcastic remark about the lack of a response. i'd hardly compare that to "pulling teeth".

ThePatriot wrote:Also, I don't care if people get offended because people do not have the right to not be offended. If they take something the wrong way then that's on them.

so when you said "Thank y'all for all the help." - before even receiving any replies - what "help" were you talking about? if reading that as sarcasm is to do so "the wrong way", then what was the right way to take it? :?:

besides, even if "people do not have the right to not be offended", they certainly do have the right not to reply to your posts. if you actually want constructive responses then you need to consider that.

ThePatriot wrote:I refuse to play the PC bs game and walk on eggshells because I might hurt their little feelings. I'm an adult and so are they.

um, since when did AoS become an "adults-only" forum? i think you'l find that the forum rules say: "This site is used by people of all ages."

i think you need to re-read the Sticky in the New Members forum.

ThePatriot wrote:... Been through too much of that popularity bs to even be concerned with it at my nearly 4 decades of life.

but you are the one asking (expecting?) others to help you - if you arent even going to consider their feelings when you type, dont you think that might be a problem?

now, i know your thread on Warseer didnt go the way you hoped, and i do sympathise. however, i think you should take a moment to cool off before posting again, to help make sure you dont take that out on anyone here.

Age Of Strife might be a quiet place to visit, but its a nice community with a good atmosphere - and I for one would like to keep it like that. any more problems with this thread tonight and i will Lock it while it is discussed between the Mods & Admin.

EDIT:
ThePatriot wrote:...even if someone doesn't render help you still thank them. It's called common courtesy and a lost art in this day and age of pc walk on eggshells talking.

If you hadn't noticed, but I accepted your reasons for not replying through silent ascension.

so you thank people even before anyone has responded, but remain silent to someone who does reply? :?

anyway, lets try to draw a line under all that and get this thread back on topic: choosing Doctrines (etc) for using those ranges as IG - if anyone has anything to add then they will (if they want to, of course).

cheers

~ Tim
(AoS Mod)
EDIT - on topic:
ThePatriot wrote:Afterall, I can just see these guys sitting next to my Sisters on the battlefield due to my Order finding the planet the AWI guys were on and stuck at the 18th century style of equipment.

that makes sense. il be honest, i didnt get that from your OP - i thought you were going to keep just the poses and the uniforms of the AWI models but update them with "modern" 40K weaponry and wargear.

a "backwards" planet does offer lots of opportunties to deviate from the norm - did you read that fluff piece about Uriah Jacobus leading medieval style knights to quell a rebellion (or something like that... i read it was a while ago, but the "Brettonia meets 40K" image has stuck with me ever since)?

ThePatriot wrote:Ahh I see that you were talking about Adriadnas and not AWI for Light Infantry. Makes sense and I like the doctrines you've picked out since they make sense.

cheers. :)

ThePatriot wrote:The thing that is heavily influencing me to go with the AWI or the Adriadna is the price. For me to field an 1850 force of AWI costs about $500 and for Adriadna about $1,000.

is that based on a purely infantry force, or have you considered adding normal IG tanks etc? Chimeras, Hellhounds and other tanks can all eat up points quickly (without using up Doctrines), allowing you to play big games without needing lots of models.

and is that the only size game you play? ive quite enjoyed 1,000 and 1,250 pts games (with the standard size ive played being 1,500) - dropping the pts level would also help you field a cool looking characterful force using expensive infantry models without breaking the bank.

you mentioned SoB too - if you fielded the force as allies alongside a WH army then that would also cut down on the costs involved.
(ive planned an Arbites CP and a PDF army - by incorperating the Arbites (WH) into the PDF (IG) as allies that means i will need to buy less models overall without having to play smaller games with the main army).

ThePatriot wrote:AWI is half the cost and being blue collar puts the Adriadna out of my price range for a full army. Maybe as a CP or a KT I'll do them later.

does that mean that the Adriadna are definately out of the equation? do you want to concentrate on the AWI (even if it means fewer responses/less interested) from now on?

cheers

~ Tim

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:36 pm
by ThePatriot
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:
ThePatriot wrote:Sparking the imagination should not be like pulling teeth to get an honest to goodness answer.

you created the thread and then waited just 24 hours before making what felt like a sarcastic remark about the lack of a response. i'd hardly compare that to "pulling teeth".

ThePatriot wrote:Also, I don't care if people get offended because people do not have the right to not be offended. If they take something the wrong way then that's on them.

so when you said "Thank y'all for all the help." - before even receiving any replies - what "help" were you talking about? if reading that as sarcasm is to do so "the wrong way", then what was the right way to take it? :?:

besides, even if "people do not have the right to not be offended", they certainly do have the right not to reply to your posts. if you actually want constructive responses then you need to consider that.

ThePatriot wrote:I refuse to play the PC bs game and walk on eggshells because I might hurt their little feelings. I'm an adult and so are they.

um, since when did AoS become an "adults-only" forum? i think you'l find that the forum rules say: "This site is used by people of all ages."

i think you need to re-read the Sticky in the New Members forum.

ThePatriot wrote:... Been through too much of that popularity bs to even be concerned with it at my nearly 4 decades of life.

but you are the one asking (expecting?) others to help you - if you arent even going to consider their feelings when you type, dont you think that might be a problem?

now, i know your thread on Warseer didnt go the way you hoped, and i do sympathise. however, i think you should take a moment to cool off before posting again, to help make sure you dont take that out on anyone here.

Age Of Strife might be a quiet place to visit, but its a nice community with a good atmosphere - and I for one would like to keep it like that. any more problems with this thread tonight and i will Lock it while it is discussed between the Mods & Admin.

EDIT:
ThePatriot wrote:...even if someone doesn't render help you still thank them. It's called common courtesy and a lost art in this day and age of pc walk on eggshells talking.

If you hadn't noticed, but I accepted your reasons for not replying through silent ascension.

so you thank people even before anyone has responded, but remain silent to someone who does reply? :?

anyway, lets try to draw a line under all that and get this thread back on topic: choosing Doctrines (etc) for using those ranges as IG - if anyone has anything to add then they will (if they want to, of course).

cheers

~ Tim
(AoS Mod)
EDIT - on topic:
ThePatriot wrote:Afterall, I can just see these guys sitting next to my Sisters on the battlefield due to my Order finding the planet the AWI guys were on and stuck at the 18th century style of equipment.

that makes sense. il be honest, i didnt get that from your OP - i thought you were going to keep just the poses and the uniforms of the AWI models but update them with "modern" 40K weaponry and wargear.

a "backwards" planet does offer lots of opportunties to deviate from the norm - did you read that fluff piece about Uriah Jacobus leading medieval style knights to quell a rebellion (or something like that... i read it was a while ago, but the "Brettonia meets 40K" image has stuck with me ever since)?

ThePatriot wrote:Ahh I see that you were talking about Adriadnas and not AWI for Light Infantry. Makes sense and I like the doctrines you've picked out since they make sense.

cheers. :)

ThePatriot wrote:The thing that is heavily influencing me to go with the AWI or the Adriadna is the price. For me to field an 1850 force of AWI costs about $500 and for Adriadna about $1,000.

is that based on a purely infantry force, or have you considered adding normal IG tanks etc? Chimeras, Hellhounds and other tanks can all eat up points quickly (without using up Doctrines), allowing you to play big games without needing lots of models.

and is that the only size game you play? ive quite enjoyed 1,000 and 1,250 pts games (with the standard size ive played being 1,500) - dropping the pts level would also help you field a cool looking characterful force using expensive infantry models without breaking the bank.

you mentioned SoB too - if you fielded the force as allies alongside a WH army then that would also cut down on the costs involved.
(ive planned an Arbites CP and a PDF army - by incorperating the Arbites (WH) into the PDF (IG) as allies that means i will need to buy less models overall without having to play smaller games with the main army).

ThePatriot wrote:AWI is half the cost and being blue collar puts the Adriadna out of my price range for a full army. Maybe as a CP or a KT I'll do them later.

does that mean that the Adriadna are definately out of the equation? do you want to concentrate on the AWI (even if it means fewer responses/less interested) from now on?

cheers

~ Tim


1. 24 hours is long enough time to wait before saying anything. I also work 40 hours in four days with two of those days being roughly 12 hours long. Hence the reason why I rarely post on the weekends and on Monday+Tuesday.

2. Lack of response equals lack of help to which the proper reply is, "Thank y'all for the help." That's right they are under no obligation to reply, but I am obligated to say thank you. Common courtesy and all that. I believe the problem lies with the fact that you're younger then me, as is most on this forum, and that I'm a southerner. Albeit a plain talking southerner who says what he means in the fewest words possible since extraneous words can cause complications in meaning.

3. I never said that this was an adult's only forum now did I? I did say that a person should act like an adult if they are on a forum.

4. When I posted this thread I wasn't angry nor do I see how you can get any anger out of my text. I do not use emoticons because I am a plain speaking calm and logical person. So your answer to everything is to lock a thread where I've been nothing but nice and following the rules of etiquette and the forum? That's really a strange way to handle a non-situation now isn't it? In case you haven't noticed, but the only people that have been antagonistic in this thread have been you and jlong even going to the point of saying that I said something when I did not as well as imply that my original post was to the contrary of what is written. It is better to remain silent to avoid antagonizing people then it is to open your mouth and make the situation worse. Judgment is the better part of valor is it not?

5. Just because I didn't say anything concerning it in my original post means that I usually want to hear other's ideas on how to work it in. In fact, the idea I just gave you was given to me last night by one of the GW staffers of the local store. I asked a simple uncomplicated question in my original post to gather information. That's usually how the exchange of ideas start. Nope I haven't read that book about it. Everyone keeps bringing up various books and my reading list gets longer.

6. Well if I do add IG tanks they'll probably be scratch built to conform with the overall look of the army. Like making a huge horse drawn wagon that's got steel plates for armor and just use the rules for the vehicle. Imagination is the key don't you agree? We are at the 1850 point mark on our main armies and having a second 1850 point army makes it easier to have newcomers join the game by using one of our second armies. Also we can combine them to make a huge Apoc game which is our goal.

7. I'm open to all ideas hence the reason why I asked for help to begin with. If I choose one for now there will always be an opportunity to build a CP out of the other which can be expanded later. How I usually do things is plan out a standard force at a certain point limit and buy all the models at once. I then go back and buy more models to bring them up to 3k points.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:30 pm
by jlong05
OFF TOPIC:
ThePatriot wrote:4. When I posted this thread I wasn't angry nor do I see how you can get any anger out of my text. I do not use emoticons because I am a plain speaking calm and logical person. So your answer to everything is to lock a thread where I've been nothing but nice and following the rules of etiquette and the forum? That's really a strange way to handle a non-situation now isn't it? In case you haven't noticed, but the only people that have been antagonistic in this thread have been you and jlong even going to the point of saying that I said something when I did not as well as imply that my original post was to the contrary of what is written. It is better to remain silent to avoid antagonizing people then it is to open your mouth and make the situation worse. Judgment is the better part of valor is it not?
OK, I have tried to be nice on this. My original post was simply a suggestion of why you may not have gotten a response to your post. You only gave the users (less than 24 hours) to respond. Your followup post simply said 'Thanks for the help'. As Tim has also suggested, this is very much a pointed comment that way as you had received 0 comments at that point. I also am from the south. So using that as the basis for your to the point posts isn't really relevant. That is a personal choice and not a regional thing. As for you southern hospitality, you are correct. Thanking people in 'advance' is generally a good idea. This is why I generally place that thank you in my original post. This was there is no chance of someone taking my thank you out of context. If as you indicate there was no negative context to your comment, great, although I honestly have to ask. Why did you change it then? To me this would indicate you thought it over and decided it may be taken negatively and chose to change it. Great if that was the case, if not, the question still would stand. You said that Tim and I have put words in your mouth. I am not aware in any of my posts in this thread(or any thread for that matter) of me doing this. If that is the case, please let me know specifics so I can keep that from happening again. I honestly take offense when you state I have done something wrong by 'saying that I said something when I did not as well as imply that my original post was to the contrary of what is written'. I have not stated at any time you said anything you did not. I implied that the context of your '2nd' post could be taken negatively and simply suggested a different way to bring your post back into attention. Your original post simply asked for help. Your second post thanked everyone for their help. (had you not edited that post after the fact, you could still see what you had said and then mine and Tim's following posts would be in context. Currently they are not'

On Topic: I actually have thought about the idea of creating an IG army from other models. Particularly I like the idea of the trech-coated guard and have thought about using them for a stand in army instead of buying the models provided by ForgeWorld. I also rarely play in a GW store(In fact the local GW store closed in Phoenix), so fielding non GW models would be fine. I may not be able to play them in officially sanctioned tourneys, but that is fine. I am not sure which specific models you are indicating from the sites you listed. I saw the US ranger guys. They seems cool, and for them, something for infiltrating and stealth I think would be key.

Hopefully we can all get beyond the secondary issues here and get to be more on point of the conversation you had originally wanted to talk about.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:31 pm
by KInG
omg wappened here. sorry guys to be so disrespectful to everyone who posted, but I didn't read it all - frankly i got bored and ran out of time...

thread locked! start another about what non GW model if you like but avoid the rest of the crap please guys, cheers.