Hello chaps.

Just a quickie.

Does anyone know the parent chapter for the Blod Ravens. Can up in conversation the other day and despite a background search on here and the web I haven't been able to find out??

Cheers

Lee

Isn't it a part of their fluff that they do not know themselves?

yeah, they don't know.

there have been speculation that maybe they are a loyalist Thousand Sons offshoot, but i'm usure if that purely comes down to the high level of Psykers in their ranks

Apart from lecanum and stuff this guy seems to have managed to compile most info
http://forums.tauonline.org/index.php?topic=44293.0

most popular theory ive heard is the thousand sons thing, but the blood angels codex does hint that it may well be them.

thousand son thing?

Those blue dudes of mine you fought ages back.
Their Primarch was blessed with lots of magic and a big red eye mutation, lots of psychers. (and when you have lots of psychers people tend towards him as being their gene trait)
Magnus sent a telepathic signal to the emperor telling him that horus had gone bad..The emprah got a bug in his butt that magnus had the same kind of modem he'd spent ages optimising for himself so he sent the very restrained and in no way out for vendetta space wolves..who pretty much damnatussed the planet..
The remaining (still basically loyal at this stage) 1ksons fled..until they found the only place to rest was by the eye of terror (bad guy ville)..Tzeentch took them in.. but started horribly mutating them..so they resisted.. Ahirman cast the rubric which made all Psychers bad ass-fluffwise but not tablewise (and immune to tzeentchs mutations) and all the less good sorcerors and lackies becames hard core dust living inside power armour.

When you get onto
a) did some hand themselves over to the fair and just and in no way overkill space wolves to show their innocence and devotion to the emperor,
b) some not effected by the rubric but neither are they mutated slavespawn of tzeencth.
c) ahriman being outcast and going off on his tod regretting what the rubric spell did (therefore making recruitment after this point awkward)
d) magnus just sitting in his tower weeping..sad primarch is sad.
You get into a big old fluff quagmire of how anything at all is possible. ( I say this having not yet read the 2 horus heresy BL books yet)

The Thousand Sons have IMO the most ragic & interesting fall from grace as part of the Heresy. I've stopped reading the HH seires, mostly because I don't want to read the mangling BL produces of this, having witnessed the feeble attempts to potray the fall of Horus ("Come to Chaos, your father's a baddy!", "Oh ok then") and Fulgrim ("Aha, I'm a daemon in a primarch, no one will notice that I'm totally batshit crazy now!"), the fall of Magnus can only be reduced to a cartoonish sketch of the Greek Tradegedy that I see in my mind.

I'm always wondering about the Blood Ravens being decended from Thousand Sons gene seed. I'm not aware that the origional legions needed to send gene send back to Terra & the AdMech for purity testing (why would they), nor for the creation of new chapters (again, why would they). So where would they have got 'loyal' geneseed for the Thousand Sons from? Given that the Rubic destroyed all non-psychers' physical forms. And the psychers are now obviously traitor (although many have not aligfned themselves with the Chaos Gods, the Imperiam will still see them as such), then there is a very small window between the burning of Prospero & the casting of th Rubic in which to get any gene seed - and I think the Imperium had better things to do at the time than try to save the remnants of an army that had turned against them.

So, from my point of view, it's very unlikely that the Blood Ravens have anything whatsoever to do with being decended from the Thousand Sons, although with the caveat that, as KMB states, it's a big universe out there... Of course, that doesn't take into account the fact that Tzeench is the God of trickery and change, and he may be pulling some strings within the Chapter, or that he majiked the geneseed into existence (although if he can do that, the he's much more powerful that we currently envisage).

Think of the Blood Raven's mystery as overblown, and not terribly good, fanfic writ large.

Ljundhammer wrote:The Thousand Sons have IMO the most ragic & interesting fall from grace as part of the Heresy. I've stopped reading the HH seires

I actual like most of the Horus Heresy books, in particular 'Thousand Sons', 'Mechanicum' and the latest 'Nemesis'. The Dark Angel ones being the worst.

As to Gene Seed, originally all the Space Marine Legion units were created from stock on Terra, but as time and distance grew new Gene Seed implants were produced on the Legion Home worlds. Still I remember reading that even in the early days, GeneSeed Stock was still sent back to Terra for screening and storage.

Horus was one of the first Legions to stop sending this Gene Seed back, stating distance and continuing crusade stopping him from doing so. Guess the other traitor legions also screened theres and only sent back good stuff.
Remember even at the point of Istvaan Massacre, their was still lots of loyal Marines within the Renegade legions.

It is rumoured that during the 'Cursed Foundings' that Gene Seed other than the Loyal ones may have been used to create some of these Chapters - leading to some of the failures and renegades being produced.

So there is a possibility that Tousand Sons Gene Seed could have been used, but very unlikely.
Plus very unlikely to be one of the 2 missing Legions as it is stated that the remaining Space Marines from those Legions were dismantled and subsumed into the other Legions.

Blood Raven gene seed is more likely to have been a modified Loyal Gene Stock, combination of two original legion stock to produce a new stable stock or an attempt at a new Gene Stock?

Whatever - it is very unlikely that GW will ever say a definative truth to this - they like to leave some mystery in the fluff

Doh! You're right on gene seed & I'm an idiot! Hair shirt has been ritully donned!

The Blood Ravens were made to be in the Dawn of War games to stop people moaning when their fab chapter were not used and since then people have blown it all out of proportion as if GW have some master plan. Only reason they accnoledge the chapter exists at all is to get people who played the games to buy toy soldiers. Their "background" consists of massive memory loss mixed with we suck and are dying out with a pinch if oh shit we lost a load of TDA that was being heldd by some planetary governor with a side of lol we are space wizards. The games are good and they should be left there.

However why do I have to be a tea drinking space smurf in Spacemarine?

So absolutely nothing to do with Raven Guard or Blood Angels then??

I knew that were created for the vid games but didn't realise that GW had left them a fairly blank page as to background.

I also note that the Red Scorpions are a little shady as to where they have come from to.

They have as much to do with Raven Guard and Blood Angels, officially, as say Iron Fists have with Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists - just first and last words from two wholly unrelated chapters

nice colour scheme though and given my time over I would have chosen that chapter's colour scheme, but with my own name so |I could swap and change codexes, without having to press Mephiston up in DA iconograpghy.

Spack wrote:They have as much to do with Raven Guard and Blood Angels, officially, as say Iron Fists have with Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists - just first and last words from two wholly unrelated chapters

So who knows the names of all the Loyal Space Marine Chapters?

Actually was a question put to me by my Son, I could only manage 20 before having to resort to look through the codex and other books.
Did find the following image on GW site where they had collated some information.



You can see Blood Ravens bottom right.
click this