Daemonhunters and Witchunters Codexes: These have now been taken off independant shop's lists...

Is it just because they are selling so slowly that they are now going to be directly only, or is there something else in the pipeline.

Usually if there is something new coming our way the previous items are taken down only weeks, or at the most, a couple of months before. As we know Nids are imminent, and strong rumours are for BA next, surely this is not the prelude to a new Inquistor dex? is it....

EDIT: These are not direct only, they have been stopped altogether. GW have removed them too from their site, never to be sold again. What is the meaning of such a move.... they are still selling the miniatures though.

I'm split on this and here is my schism
KMB says...

Not next year..
The pretty much set thing appears to be..
Nids BA, warhammer rush..
(DE and crons in the pipes but still struggling, got bumped forwards and backwards certainly somewhere in the washing machine of release)
Mishmash of rumours about BT/eldar/tau getting a quick redux with minimal changes.. as it wouldn't require an entire resculpty thingy just a couple of units getting some new bling and the rulebook having some 5th ed sprinkles.(others countering that tau already had this and unsmiley faces fell across the web)
WH/DH/xeno hunters needs a reimagining/(merging?) *and* a rehashing to plastic, which puts them behind that lot.

Where as random internetz has these..2 rather important posts from march this year..
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost. ... tcount=320
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost. ... tcount=336

We also have some really obtuse rumours from harry about a fleet based chapter getting some love.. but most people just thought that was a BT reference (they ruled out angels of death/double whammer of BA and DA fairly firmly)
thats about all i learned this year on ta interwebz I hope your proud papa

Caution this post contains unfounded speculation of a completely mad fashion>>>


There will be at least 6 codex/supplement releases in 2010. Maybe more.
Supporting Evidence:
1. Looking back over the last 5 years worth of rumouring we have never had more rumoured upcomings than now. We have Beasts, Tomb Kings, 8th Edition, Orcs & Goblins and Ogres for fantasy, Tyranids, Blood/Dark angels, Templars, Dark Eldar and Necrons (and maybe indications of inquisition if codex withdrawl is anything to go by) all with information from various sources. At previous release speeds this would be every release for 4 years.
2. All 40k & fantasy apart from Dark Eldar have the large majority of their core plastics done. Examples with Beastmen - the new sets are a recut + additions rather than full new kits. This means that development for all armies is shorter as they have half the work done.
3. Jan/ release for nids/ feb for beasts. First time ive seen two back to back - could indicate a trend.

With the lock down in GW rumors meaning that we don't get information like before and LoTR not featuring on schedules beyond this year (at least until the Hobbit) this culd indicate GW wanting to maximise their profits by giving us lots of rules without having to put massive capital investment into new figures. This makes sense from a business POV. In a recession nice cheap books that also make the existing figures sell better are an executive dream.

Opinions?

That makes sense; maximise the potential of what's already out there in the cheapest way possible.

lostandthedamned wrote:GW wanting to maximise their profits by giving us lots of rules without having to put massive capital investment into new figures. This makes sense from a business POV. In a recession nice cheap books that also make the existing figures sell better are an executive dream.

Opinions?

Since when was GW a business? They certainly talk the talk, but I've yet to see them walk the walk. If this is GW's new strategy (I can't help but say that in Grimlock's voice ), then I wholeheartedly agree with it - we get to play our old and rubbish armies with new spangley rules for minimal outlay, and GW get a new income stream (however minor) for relatively little cost.

Personally though, I can't see it. GW appear to be blinkered by their estimation that gamers want everything in plastic - in which case, I can't see either GKs or sisters making an appearance anytime soon. Given the very few WH/DH players out there, there's little incentive for these books to be rehashed, especially compared to, say, Necrons which IMO needs a massive overhaul in terms of minis, rules, & fluff.

SUMMARY - I'd like to see but, but I won't hold my breath.

Baragash wrote:Codices I am not expecting to see in the first 3 quarters....
Eldar
Necrons
Dark Eldar
Dark Angels
Daemonhunters
Witch Hunters
Chaos Space Marines
Space Marines
Imperial Guard
Space Wolves
Orks
Chaos Daemons

What a round about way of saying tau are next
remember they'll probably count the missions as like a codex release schedule wise.

Ljundhammer wrote:
Since when was GW a business? They certainly talk the talk, but I've yet to see them walk the walk.

Have you worked for them?

Their organisational culture (guess what my coursework's been on?) is very secretive to outsiders. If you look behind the network of recent actions they seem much more guarded about everything.
From my research they have been cost cutting across the retail network (closing Battle Bunkers, only painting one of each new release rather than a full army, cutting blisters to minimum and replacing with boxes), reducing competition from online resellers (minimum and fewer orders able to be made to prevent the cash and grab ebay sellers), Actively pursuing protection if their IP, and generally tightening their practices.

To my eyes this suggest that head office may have brought in people who know what they are doing from a business sense, and making a company that is more proof against fluctuations in the economy. They don't have to rely on every customer being a rabid gamer that will by anything they spoonfeed them and can concentrate on increasing their margins by selling the right stuff to the right people.

lostandthedamned wrote:

Ljundhammer wrote:
Since when was GW a business? They certainly talk the talk, but I've yet to see them walk the walk.

Have you worked for them?

No, and I don't need to have.

lostandthedamned wrote:From my research they have been cost cutting across the retail network (closing Battle Bunkers, only painting one of each new release rather than a full army, cutting blisters to minimum and replacing with boxes), reducing competition from online resellers (minimum and fewer orders able to be made to prevent the cash and grab ebay sellers), Actively pursuing protection if their IP, and generally tightening their practices.

To my eyes this suggest that head office may have brought in people who know what they are doing from a business sense, and making a company that is more proof against fluctuations in the economy. They don't have to rely on every customer being a rabid gamer that will by anything they spoonfeed them and can concentrate on increasing their margins by selling the right stuff to the right people.

These are all standard practices in most industries. The fact that GW only realised this in a recession is what I would find worrying. I agree that many retailers and manufactures have gone through a cost cutting excersise to trim away the 'fat' that is disguised in good years, however, GWs approach is so drastic that it seems to point to either they accumulated a massive amount of fat in the good years (which would seem appropriate given poor results in a financial boom), or that they are now panicing and overcompensating, or both!

GW would have a very hard time recession-proofing itself, given that at its heart is a manufacturer and retailer of a luxury product. GW can be made a good company, but it needs to start to have a consistant internal message that gives a unified external approach - this has been sorely lacking overthe last few years, and this is a culture that can be attributed to a lack of effective leadership in my opinion.

These are only my opinions however, and I think we're straying from the OP slightly

Leagen of the damed are comeing so this might just bring out a hole new inquisishen codex!!!!!!!!!!!

ow the new shiny damed figers are on the workshop web sight.

hunter101 wrote:Leagen of the damed are comeing so this might just bring out a hole new inquisishen codex!!!!!!!!!!!

Any reason why you think LotD would have anything to do with a new inquisition codex?

Legion of the Damned are in the Space Marines codex as an Elite choice (so GW are just filling out the codex list with models for an existing unit), they have nothing to do with the Ordo lists which have their core military arms as Grey Knights for Malleus, Sororitas for Hereticus, and Deathwatch for Xenos.

This is tru. Was a fun speculashion tho. Oooooo maybe weal get plastic gray nights. That wood be awsom.

Daemonhunter and Witchunter codexes pulled from GW site and shops now too.

We were told that they no longer sell these codexes and won't be again. They have been stopped.

When asked have they ended, the response was. "I'm not sure, were still selling the figures, so probably not".... Are they redoing those codexes? "No".