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Re: General stuff soon

Postby BANE » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:27 pm

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Re: General stuff soon

Postby markb » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:57 pm

Thing is I think WD was better back in the 90s due to the better range of games they produced like the skirmish games etc, it led to more variety of content. I hadn't bought WD for about 3 years until last month when I accidentally bought last months thinking it had the DA stuff in it (the perils of buying it through iTunes!). I have to say that I don't think I've read even a quarter of it, it just doesn't grab me the way it used to. I bought this months for the DA stuff, read that and nothing else.
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Re: General stuff soon

Postby Baragash » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:03 pm

killmaimburn wrote:it looked pretty cool..


It wasn't, you didn't miss out. It wasn't as good as Blood in the Badlands, which was "ok". It should have been published as a series of WD articles.

Any WD with Index Astartes or Thorkinson's Island (which I actually played). That's 2 years worth of issues right there, all post-98. Throw in Chapter Approved, decent painting guides (some of which I used) and that's plenty of content of a far higher standard than the new super-expensive 50-pages of new releases toilet they've moved to.

Bane wrote:People complained that 5th was too simplistic so it could appeal to the teenage new starters now its complaining that 6th is too complex and 5th was much more streamlined.


Were they the same people? *shrugs* I cannot motivate myself to play a non-skirmish game that requires me to care where every single model is placed, regardless of any other issues I have with the rules or the "let's copy the WHF Chaos book" BS instead of giving Chaos players a proper Codex. Please can we roll an additional 3 sets of dice between us every time someone charges despite the statistical impact being negligible "but wait fans we reintroduced Overwatch..... or should that be Over-abundance-of-meaningless-process-steps" Yeah, depths = depths of despair.

Meh, if people can't be bothered to explain why they think it has more depth (instead of just being more complex) I'll file that opinion in the same wastebasket as KoW devotees that claim KoW is more tactical than WHF (protip: it isn't, despite that I'd rather play KoW).
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Re: General stuff soon

Postby killmaimburn » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:50 pm

Baragash wrote:
killmaimburn wrote:it looked pretty cool..


It wasn't, you didn't miss out. It wasn't as good as Blood in the Badlands, which was "ok". It should have been published as a series of WD articles.
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Any WD with Index Astartes or Thorkinson's Island (which I actually played). That's 2 years worth of issues right there, all post-98. Throw in Chapter Approved, decent painting guides (some of which I used) and that's plenty of content of a far higher standard than the new super-expensive 50-pages of new releases toilet they've moved to.
ok, so faqs and chapter approveds, as I mentioned(I believe index astrates falls under same category, in that it was a push for compiled book sales), subjective view that painting was better back then(I'll concede before raised that 2 recent painting guides have been straight out wrong, but as someone who couldn't paint my stuff never looked like any of their stuff) meh, they did booksales of the stuff that was worthy of note.(so a can go against b)

I think markb has the strongest point, once they stopped filling with advanced heroquest levels, and mordheim scenarios and blood bowl variants-stuff that as a kid once a year or so was something actually relevant rather than just cool, they filled with tat and rather than having a passing interest in the tat (once in a while it would be exactly personally for you, eg guardsmen throwing grenades on a football pitch at drunk rats in the dark feat cartoon hero of the day) it became ads.
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Were they the same people? *shrugs* I cannot motivate myself to play a non-skirmish game that requires me to care where every single model is placed, regardless of any other issues I have with the rules or the "let's copy the WHF
you mention being cross with them for copying warhams, but also being cross at them for not copying warHams, pushing 20 models forwards only changing or giving scant regard to higher movement operation if opponent has a lot of templates or if there is a tree in the way. that is how lazy people got with 4.5s low brow push to one in all in.
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Meh, if people can't be bothered to explain why they think it has more depth (instead of just being more complex) I'll file that opinion in the same wastebasket as KoW devotees that claim KoW is more tactical than WHF (protip: it isn't, despite that I'd rather play KoW).

I can, and have but I refuse to do it in every single topic infinitum,on a forum where half the people griping haven't played it through twice yet. (I agree on kow point..and not just to show that I have viewed many angles) this is a topic about upcoming codex releases.yawn.
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Re: General stuff soon

Postby BANE » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:38 pm

@ Sami, I don't try and convince people on the web that something is better than something else anymore, there is too many people sat comfortably on the other side of there firewalls that are not prepared to change there opinions. If you want to see if it has depth give it a go, if you have and don't agree then don't play it and if you are just not prepared to try then that's that.

Oh and I agree WD sucks! Still buy the odd one tho.

And to get back to the thread I here there is a codex release on Saturday!

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Re: General stuff soon

Postby ruffian4 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:08 am

Though so far I havent played that much 6th, I think it is an improvement over 5th.
Can't be bothered to say why.
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Re: General stuff soon

Postby Ljundhammer » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:21 am

6th is no better or worse than 5th. It has good bits, and bits that are so badthey make me grind my teeth (yes challenges, I'm looking at you; and don't think that the whole assault phase gets a free pass either).

However, it is very different from 5th. You need to think a lot harder about options, before and during the game. Cookie cutter "oh, just the 12 razorback" lists don't seem to work as well, and the lists I'm seeing around (although not necessarily playing against :angryfire ) are a lot more varied.

Overall, I like it more than I liked the last year of 5th. I'm not sure if I like it as much as the first year of 5th. It's a lot like the progression between the last Championship Manager games to the new Football Manager games i.e. it's gone from fairly predictible to wildly unpredictible based on small errors on either side and variables outside the players' control.
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Re: General stuff soon

Postby BANE » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:57 am

Good analogy, sums up my thoughts on it well.

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Re: General stuff soon

Postby ruffian4 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:55 am

Ljundhammer wrote: so badthey make me grind my teeth (yes challenges,

One of my gripes is about too many pictures in the books.
I will look at them, what 5 or 6 times in the lifespan of the book, so once a year perhaps.
The challenge rules, 2 pages, would have been bettererer as pictures of potatos.

Ljundhammer wrote:You need to think a lot harder about options, before and during the game. Cookie cutter "oh, just the 12 razorback" lists don't seem to work as well, and the lists I'm seeing around (although not necessarily playing against :angryfire ) are a lot more varied.

This is very good then, isn't it?
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Re: General stuff soon

Postby killmaimburn » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:39 pm

Ljundhammer wrote: and bits that are so badthey make me grind my teeth (yes challenges, I'm looking at you

Ok I'll sideline too :D
Challenges are a unique pain for you and I, specifically.I won't suggest they are the best thing in the world, but tactics around challenges fall down for us, here is a generic ish tactica BTW http://prometheusatwar.com/2012/09/when ... e-tactica/

Problems unique to us (whilst accepting that generally they are not awesome-precision shots ARE awesome :D)
> Chaos= I have no tactics I just have to say yes/do them, this means we do exactly what tacticas say you shouldn't do (even matchups, or at least where victory is in question)
> Whilst your guard killed off all my CH before I got to challenge you actually still quite new to challenges.
> Your still new to BA and not using the strength bonus to the best advantage to take stuff out before it starts to drag out.(power sword *possibly* is viable, but against high toughness only with something extra umphy)
> same goes for precisions shots etc which I'm slowly starting to get you around to using to minimise challenges.

Playing against nids,crons,demons.. they have almost no CH there are whole armies/players that never have to encounter a challenge, let alone an evenly matched one.
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Re: General stuff soon

Postby harbo1993 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:29 pm

i would like the tau to be out next
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Re: General stuff soon

Postby skywalker » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:33 pm

I used to subscribe to WD for about 10years from about 1997 to 2007 and used to enjoy the battle reports which featured in the period 97 to 2005. I even enjoyed the WH battle reports although I have never enjoyed WH as much as 40K (not enough guns for my liking) :lol: I remember a series of articles which were written by some bloke who's name escapes me telling the tale of his garage run games club and their WH games, they were tongue in cheek and a good read. Its a shame that the magazine has now turned to a glorified colour book of dreams instead of an interesting read covering the whole spectrum of the GW hobby
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Re: General stuff soon

Postby markb » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:50 pm

Ian that was Paul Sawyer aka Fat Bloke.
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