So. This is VERY rumor, but I was on the phone with GW US Direct sales about some missing bits from a Techmarine box. Anyways while I was talking to the guy, I commented that it had been awhile since I had got the techmarine box and finally dug the SM stuff out in anticipation of the upcoming codex update.

He said it would be worth it, of which I inquired a little further on if they(his area) had been able to actually see it and he confirmed he had. I explained the reason I was waiting was I was unsure if I would be assembling my SM army as Codex DA, or waiting for the 5ed book and assembly as Codex SM and say they are the 5ed Vanilla version of DA. Basically I wasn't sure which would be better given the 5ed rules changes.

His comment was that the DA have 'some' advantages of vanilla in that they have the DW and RW which can count as troops which is 5ed important. He said his 'some' comment because vanilla marines will also be able to get bikes as troops by giving the Commander a Bike. He also said the Honour Guard also gets the bikes option if the Commander is fielded with a bike.

He did say that to the best of his understanding is that there is no DW equivalent however.

Not sure if this has ever been listed as a rumor as I have not seen it, but thought I would share.

As usual, this was from a phone troll, but he offered it, and honestly sounded like he was serious in that he knew for certain on this. Take with as much salt as you need.

For me, I am on a low sodium diet, so I am hoping it's true.

I think I read this rumour and Bells of Lost souls or something, but I talked to the GW employies here in Oslo about it (being a little bit upset about the whole thing, being a DA player and seeing that no matter what, vanilla marines gets everything, but better) and they told me that in fact the rumour was true and that this would be the case for the new Space Marines.

I just don´t care anymore, I have given up, and I will be playing my armies purely based on the fluff. DA has a dark and interesting background, so I will field my DA with pride and take them to battle with honour

Besides, in the new Apoc-book there is a pretty cool Hunt the fallen scenario for DA.... so we got SOMETHING atleast

I fully understand what you mean. I have Codex:DA and had planned to use it(had 5ed not been released), but with 5ed, if there are no timely FAQ updates allowing the DA/BA use of new equipment and units then I will probably go Vanilla and paint em/call them DA. Personally I love the fluff also. It will work for me as long as I don't run a large Termi force.

OK I know a lot of you hate fishing in rumours sections of the bigger sites, and some of you can’t see them..so I thought I’d bring them here (like I did with demons) All credit is due to warseer, B+C, BOLS and Golden throne (particularly golden throne since I just nabbed a lot of reds8ns compilations..so big up to the guy..his site is awesome.
So not having the smurf dex in my hands yet (mutter mutter) heres what we appear to know so far..note the rumours get more accurate as you descend but read em as you go so you don’t miss anything.

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Images of some units (inc statlines!!) and models here
http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146067

WOW

A lot of new options to take in there.. Thanks very much for posting all this information, I think I will be holding off building most of my army for quite a while .

All you can say is:

I wonder- lets see how many races they can ape shall we I'll start us off
Necrons- take feel no pain apothecaries across the board take a librarian with gate of infinity (the veil)
Ravenwing- take commander with bike and bike retinue of super dudes (as I mention above) , FA bikes move to troops take the new scout transport option speeders maybe take the khan so they all get the outflank skill.
thousand sons- take a combination of honour guards and librarians (possibly have to take marneus so you can maxx out all the slots)

note moaners - that the last bit of BOLS info says they will release an FAQ when the new one comes out imparting *some* of the new rules on old.

Looks like I'll be bringing the marines out of semi retirement!

Angelwing wrote:Looks like I'll be bringing the marines out of semi retirement!

Yep, as we said over the weekend- 5 man 2assspam, yep that will only be for the templars, but smurfs remain the flagship of hivefleet cheesums (my chaos are looking forward to porting over..I'm failry sure berskers with jump packs would work for the rapid deployment vets "this is an emergancy *%**$£ unleash the hounds", 20 beserkers in jet packs with st6 power weapons teleport into a combat.
= sickness

hmm, im still worried about how my AdMech Marines CP will work in the new dex. currently they are: 7-man Tac inc. Plasma Gun, Plasma Cannon, Vet Sgt w/Bolter + Narth&Reductor and 10-man Tac w/CCWs&Pistols inc Melta Gun & Vet Sgt w/Power Weapon + Narth&Reductor. i dont mind bumping the shooty squad up to ten (assuming i can afford it pts wise), and i would be OK with having the Narth&Reductors 'just for show', but im not sure how the rest will work (will i have to take the CC Tac squad as an Assault Squad w/out Jump Packs, and give them a Transport instead? will i have to ditch the Melta Gun?)

my planned SM Scout Force is looking even better though, and by the time i get round to making a BA force they will have probably had a proper Codex (or at least an FAQ covering some of the changes in the new SM 'dex), so thats good. its just the ones im already half way through building that i am worried about...

cheers for the roundup, KMB.

~ Tim

Oh well as is always the way warseer has thrown out 100 pages in a day , and some kind soul has updated all their leaks and trickles. THe most incredible being the increase in transport capacity (check them out) and the scouts being able to take stealth..a few other gems too
Posted by VariableBob, but credits to half a dozen folks
I don't know about here, but I'm fairly sure mods wil have to step in there.. as it appears some one is just reading out the book again (I love "rumours" on warseer, best leakers)
As always pinch of salt required
oh and a last second leak- like with old smurfs- it appears psychic powers are dirt cheap\possibly free (could even be just pick 2 during set up- depending on who you read)
And check out how many folks have access to new marine grenade laucnhers that fire at stuff whilts folks are doing other stuff (could these also replace tau battlesuits??)
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I think the marines have a new theme song:

"Anything you can do I can do better. I can do anything better than you."

A few interesting titbits mostly from warseer
http://warseer.com/forums/showpost.php? ... tcount=541
there will NOT be a FAQ update upon smurf release. (but with lysanderwing dead..deathwing remains super special)
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront ... &orignav=9
Drop pod is an 89 piece kit (something to replace the landspeeder as most fiddly build?)
They've started bouncing around the cost of the vets (the cheaper ones 25, the moree expensive jump pack guys 30..can't work out where the source for that came from though so it might just be mathhammered)
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I'm glad ljundhammer sorted me out with those missiles to make typhoons they look like fun AT LAST!!
No more casteelian mines (I don't think I bothered using them more than once when I figured out how you use them)
Combat shields only a 6+ thats just silly.(smurfs get nerfed again )

wow, these guys sound great, but if all this fanciness and abilities rquires you to pay thru the nose for it, then guys will still be playing 4 tacticals with a HQ and a few heavy/fast attacks.

I wonder if I should stop my Techmarine bike conversions and just wait to see if there will be a model forthcoming.