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Dark Eldar liquifier gun

Postby timewizard » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:49 pm

In the Dark Eldar codex, the Talos Pain Engine has D6 attacks.

It's wargear lists that it has "Close combat weapon". Not "A close combat weapon" and not "Close combat weapons".

Under options, it can take an additional close combat weapon.

It can also replace one of its close combat weapons with either a twin-linked liquifier gun, an ichor injector or chain flails.

Now the ichor injector and the chain flails are both designated as special close combat weapons (page 40 DE codex) so if the pain engine replaced a CCW with one of these, it would get D6+1 attacks for having 1 normal and 1 special CCW and per the main rules.

When I build a list in Army Builder© and give the talos pain engine a twin linked liquifier gun and the additional close combat weapon, it lists the number of attacks as "D6+1". But in the DE codex, the liquifier gun is listed as type "assault 1".

To further complicate it, on the model, the liquifier gun is modeled on just one arm, which could lead one to believe that it is indeed a one handed weapon.

Now I am aware that what is on the model and Army Builder© do not necessarily constitute rules or clarify rules. So, after all this background stuff:

1-Does the liquifier gun constitue a CCW giving the Talos Pain Engine an additional CC attack?

2-If the liquifier gun is a CCW, would it be considered a special CCW since it is archane wargear?

Considering any of the above, how would you play it with a Talos Pain Engine with an additional CCW and a twin linked liquifier gun?

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Re: Dark Eldar liquifier gun

Postby Ogregut » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:21 am

I would say no, the liquidifer gun does not count as an extra CCW as it does not have the pistol rule or states that it gives an extra attack.
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Re: Dark Eldar liquifier gun

Postby timewizard » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:48 am

So then AB is in error when it gives the +1 attack to a pain engine armed with the T/L liquifier gun?
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Re: Dark Eldar liquifier gun

Postby mattjgilbert » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:59 am

Sounds like it
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Re: Dark Eldar liquifier gun

Postby Baragash » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:03 am

Ogregut wrote:I would say no, the liquidifer gun does not count as an extra CCW as it does not have the pistol rule or states that it gives an extra attack.


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Re: Dark Eldar liquifier gun

Postby Spack » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:20 pm

Sounds like it to me too. Looks like the additional CCW is adding the +1, but it's not taking into account that the liquifier is replacing the other CCW which should negate the +1. Go report it on the bug tracker :)
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Re: Dark Eldar liquifier gun

Postby timewizard » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:25 pm

Spack wrote:Sounds like it to me too. Looks like the additional CCW is adding the +1, but it's not taking into account that the liquifier is replacing the other CCW which should negate the +1. Go report it on the bug tracker :)


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Re: Dark Eldar liquifier gun

Postby Spack » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:32 pm

Just got the email alert about a new ticket :)
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Re: Dark Eldar liquifier gun

Postby timewizard » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:18 pm

Yea! That would be me!
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