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Getting assaulted in your own turn??

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Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby KInG » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:58 pm

I was just reading through my rulebook and came across a weird scenario. If you read the special rule for assault vehicles which refers to the turn, which we know means player turn, then this allows your opponent to assault you when you blow up his land raider for example. Lol

Or am I reading it wrong again. :)
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby Baragash » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:33 pm

How so?

The disembarking player doesn't gain the right to actually conduct the assault process during his opponent's turn ;)
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby BANE » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:07 pm

He means if the enemy blows up your vehicle in his turn, he can then assault in his turn because the vehicle had the assault vehicle rule! Just ignore him, he is getting there, slowly very slowly but he is trying!!!

EDIT: I take it all back I have just read the text he sent me about this, he aint getting there at all! He does believe if you destroy his assault vehicle in your turn he can now assault you from the wreck in your turn apparently!
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby paulmc » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:21 pm

I think what nige is inferring from the rules is that -
1) a unit in an assault vehicle can assault in the turn it disembarks
2) if you destroy his assault vehicle in your turn he is forced to disembark his troops
ergo - he can now assault you because of rule 1
what he fails to see is that -
1) his unit has not disembarked, it is simply placed in the crater left by the exploding vehicle, and
2) a unit can assault in its own assault phase, which it doesn't have because it is not its turn

I don't even think you can assault a unit inside of a transport any more if you destroy the transport vehicle in your shooting phase as it is now considered a different unit
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby timewizard » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:29 pm

paulmc wrote:I don't even think you can assault a unit inside of a transport any more if you destroy the transport vehicle in your shooting phase as it is now considered a different unit


Top of page 80, right hand column, third paragraph:

Main Rules wrote:However, if a Transport is destroyed by a shooting attack,any unit that shot it that turn can, if allowed, charge the now disembarked passengers.
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby mattjgilbert » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:50 pm

So they have disembarked then?
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby KInG » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:18 pm

Lol. If your vehicle looses all its hps it becomes a wreck. You then have to disembark via access points. If they are blocked you can then attempt an emergency disembarkation move but that does stop u assaulting because you can't do anything.

So the assault vehicle rule does say I can assault u in your turn. :)
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby BANE » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:04 am

No it doesn't. At no point in the rule does it state "you may assault in your opponent's turn". It states that you can " assault from a vehicle with this rule that you have disembarked from even in a turn when the vehicle has been destroyed". You are making a massive leap trying to force the idea that because it says even in a turn it was destroyed you are connecting that it the fact it is most likely to be destroyed in the enemies turn, but it doesn't state in the rules that you can launch an assault out of sequence, the rule is there for when the vehicle is destroyed in your turn, ie loses last HP when immobilised due to difficult terrain.

Neither RaW or RaI back up your conclusion, RaN(ige) might tho!!!
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby ruffian4 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:07 am

What about if you moved a land raider 12" and rammed an enemy vehicle and this took away your last hull point?
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby killmaimburn » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:51 am

I thought the ork trukk ram assualt was sewn up a while back? Gah can't even remember the search terms anymore. ;)
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby ruffian4 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:11 am

Don't know tbh.
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby KInG » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:42 pm

The rule actually says:

"Passengers disembarking from access points on a vehicle with this special rule can charge on the turn they do so, even on a turn that the vehicle,is destroyed. "

That is the rule word for word, as badly written as it is.....

Now then; the only time I disembark from access points in your turn is if you specifically wreck my vehicle. Explosion is no good because I'm not getting out of access points.

Now because I've disembarked via access points I can evoke this rule, which over rides standard normal rules, because it is a special rule. It says I can assault you in any turn this happens, and therefore I conclude, I can now assault you in this turn it happened. :D. Lol
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby BANE » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:49 pm

Ok i admit you can do this.

Also I aint playing you anymore.
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby KInG » Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:57 pm

Lmao. I'm not saying I would do it. I just brought this up as a rules conundrum. ;).
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Re: Getting assaulted in your own turn??

Postby BANE » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:16 pm

KInG wrote:Lmao. I'm not saying I would do it. I just brought this up as a rules conundrum. ;).


ok, well if that's the case you need to get Dan to move it to the correct forum, 40K Rules (By Idiots) :-)
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