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by Ranhothep » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:53 pm
by Kyrolon » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:25 pm
by Pharon » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:26 pm
by Spack » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:34 pm
by Ranhothep » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:58 pm
Pharon wrote:As far as the bases go it's legal according to the rules. I'm personally guilty of making use of this myself but I don't do it to such an extreme that it becomes silly.
by LordMalekTheRedKnight » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:51 pm
Ranhothep wrote:It became an issue, how do you resolve the arrival of the units. I was under the impression, that the fairest way would be to place all units (well, the first model only ofc) at the same time and then roll for scatter sequentially. Because otherwise it creates an advantage if you see whether your first unit didnt scatter out of range of its intended target thus your second unit can go deal with some other threat. What do you guys think?
Ranhothep wrote:Since you only need to be within 2" of your transport or access point with the back of your base, a larger base gives you a longer assault reach.
Ranhothep wrote:Similarly, monstrous creatures can benefit from larger bases, since they block LOS, making the shieldwall tactic even better (tyranidzilla)
by Angelwing » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:57 pm
by Ranhothep » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:14 pm
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:there are both advantages and disadvantages to having a bigger base. you can be hit easier with a Blast weapon (etc), and your opponent has more lee-way when positioning the hole in the marker over the model. you also cannot fit through gaps that models on smaller bases could fit through, you need more room when Disembarking (for example, if a vehicle is partially surrounded and the passangers were forced to get out - more would be lost if they had bigger bases), and more models can get into B2B with you in CC. you also need more space to Deepstrike, and need to move further if you need to get "entirely within x inches" of an objective, etc. as a rule of thumb, i wouldnt personally go more than 1 "size" base bigger than the norm for that model (for example, as a normal Marine is on a 25mm base, a "special" Veteran Sergeant could be on a 40mm base as a status symbol). i woudnt be as fussy when it comes to opponents' base choices, as long as they werent being incredibly silly (12" bases for normal models etc).
by LordMalekTheRedKnight » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:38 pm
Ranhothep wrote:well, more often than not, bigger bases will actually safeguard you from additional casualties due to blast markers. I think the small marker cant even cover two whole 40mm bases, so there is never a chance to have two full hits, most often there will be one full and one at 4+ at best.
Ranhothep wrote:As to the remaining arguments, with all due respect, they seem to me rather occasional (tho still valid by all means) and not as negative in the bigger picture as the benefit of the bigger base in the outlined circumstances.
Ranhothep wrote:So to sum up, would you consider it cheesy or a sign of powergaming if I disembarked my 5 berserker squads from their rhinos and all champs would have a 40mm base? (converted and scenic and all that schnick schnack included though)
Ranhothep wrote:Thanx for the pointer on the MCs, never played them myself, just heard those LOS obstruction claims second-hand. Good to know, its not that good after all.
Ranhothep wrote:Guys, Id be really interested in your oppinions on the outlined demon deep strike. Would any of you consider it wrong or cheaty in any way?
by mattjgilbert » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:44 pm
by Ranhothep » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:26 am
by Spack » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:02 am
Ranhothep wrote:Id like to get back to the idea of Malek's "chaos star". what makes you think one should place as many models as possible into a ring? Furthermore, since units of lesser demons are 5-20 in squads (and surprisingly I do own 15+ models of flesh hounds ) if I placed a ring like you suggest around the first model, in a big unit, Id still have models left to place. How would i then continute with the placement as their bases would not touch at the outskirts? I still think square bases would be easiest placed in a domino/tetris-like "circle". Anyone else's thoughts?
by Ranhothep » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:27 am
by Spack » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:32 am
by Ranhothep » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:35 am
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