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inderpendent characters

Postby Freddie the fist » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:30 pm

Is it possible to put 2 inderpentent characters in one squad? Ive been told that is ok to have a termnater assault squad with lysander and a chaplain in the squad and although i normally take my mates word for it this sounds a bit too good to be true(sorry craig). Is this ok or not?
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby Baragash » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:36 pm

It's fine. There's no restriction on the number of ICs that can join a squad.
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby mattjgilbert » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:48 pm

IIRC. the only restrictions on an IC joining a squad is when the squad is purchased as a single model (e.g. an eldar IC cannot join with a wraithlord).
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby Spack » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:10 pm

I'll throw in my agreement here too :)

There is a time when you can join an IC to a unit that is a single model - if it is another IC. There's an allowance for that in the IC rules.
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby timewizard » Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:24 pm

Refer to the top of page 48 of the BRB. IC (as stated) can join other ICs, they just can't join vehicle squadrons, or units that normally consist of 1 model like MCs or vehicles.
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby LordMalekTheRedKnight » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:15 am

Just to clarify a little:

- It doesnt matter if there is only 1 model left in the unit
- It doesnt matter whether the unit started the game/was bought with just 1 model in it
- What matters is whether the unit is always limited to 1 model (the line is "units that always consist of a single model").

So if your codex says "1-3 models", then whether you bought 2 and one died, or whether you only even bought 1, then an IC can join. However, if the codex says "1 model", then an IC cannot join it.

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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby timewizard » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:43 pm

LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:So if your codex says "1-3 models", then whether you bought 2 and one died, or whether you only even bought 1, then an IC can join. However, if the codex says "1 model", then an IC cannot join it.

Hope that helps :)

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Except if that unit has the Independent Character special rule, like a space marine chaplin and librarian for example. Even 2 unique units could join together if both have the independent character special rule.
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby LordMalekTheRedKnight » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:49 pm

Yes, good point TW. An IC can (now) join an IC to form a unit - and a 3rd IC can join them as well if it likes.

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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby mattjgilbert » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:45 pm

Confused yet Freddie? ;)
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby timewizard » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:10 pm

Remember; you can always perform action 'A' unless a rule in 'B' prohibits it except when a special rule 'C' grants action 'A' to be performed so long as it is not disallowed by rule 'D' in another unit's profile or codex. :?
If not, roll off with your opponent. :lol:
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby Freddie the fist » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:39 pm

Er yes totally confused. so just to get this straight i can put lysander in a squad of terminaters led by a chaplain? Like i said it does sound a bit too good to be true. Lysander with re rolls to hit on the charge! ouch! cheers guys. thanks for the help.
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby timewizard » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:51 pm

Freddie the fist wrote:so just to get this straight i can put lysander in a squad of terminaters led by a chaplain? Like i said it does sound a bit too good to be true.

Yes, because the terminators are not actually being led by the chaplain, that would infer that it is a retinue. The chaplain as an IC has joined the unit of terminators (and could leave them if so desired). It is now a unit of terminators and a chaplain. Lysander has the independent character special rule so he can join this unit.
Lysander and the chaplain can even begin the game already joined to the unit of terminators and each other during deployment, but the specifics of that are a can of worms I'll not open just yet. :wink:
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby lostandthedamned » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:53 pm

Yep, fairly common tactic.
Worse is when someone fields 10 Lightning claw Vanguard, with a chaplain & Kor'sarro Khan in a Raider.
50 odd attacks at S5 reroll to hit & wound....

However lots of points in one place..
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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby conscriptboris » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:51 pm

lostandthedamned wrote:Yep, fairly common tactic.
Worse is when someone fields 10 Lightning claw Vanguard, with a chaplain & Kor'sarro Khan in a Raider.
50 odd attacks at S5 reroll to hit & wound....

However lots of points in one place..


true, however the vanguard do then lose the heroic intervention (which is the only reason i can ever see taking them)

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Re: inderpendent characters

Postby Baragash » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:28 am

mattjgilbert wrote:Confused yet Freddie? ;)


Good thing I was concise and directly answered the question in the first post before you lot started showing off :wink: :P
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