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Hypothetical Situation:
A Rune priest attached to a squad of Grey Wolves open fire on some orks. The Rune priest uses Jaws of the Wolf and covers 4 orks and the Grey Wolves fire their bolters and cause 3 unsaved wounds.

Question:
Since Jaws is a Phycic shooting attack and the Rune priest is attached to the squad shooting, the results from each take place at the same time. Therefore since I can remove any 3 orks from the squad (for failed wounds) could I remove 3 that have to take an initiative test from Jaws?

So by RAW as Jaws doesn't cause wounds it seems to me it would be legal to allocate to models that are being removed from play? Thoughts?

I think this is the intention for the power: no wound allocation, only the targeted models are the ones (that can be) removed.

mattjgilbert wrote:I think this is the intention for the power: no wound allocation, only the targeted models are the ones (that can be) removed.

Sure (but that's not the question ), it's whether or not any wounds suffered by shooting from a squad the RP is attached to can also be allocated to those models that are going to be Jaws'd.

Then I guess it's down to how the power is worded as to when it is unleased. I've not got a SW codex to have a look.

Oh I see (now I read it again).... need to find a copy of the codex....

I guess it depends when you remove the models hit by jaws.. Be home soon so will have a look at the dex

Ok after looking at it I think its one of those things that will be argued over till its faq'd as theres no definate answer I can see

So your saying- just so other folks understand (I get it) that because it doesn't trigger *the save mechanism*..you can allocate your saves to the same models who are failing/have failed their T/I stat tests..in effect anything that removes "models outright" (some others.. boon of mutation?pretty much anything done in the shooting that alters models without allowing them to be classed as wounded by allowing them a save (note BOM GOC says treat as a casulaty whereas jaws does not) ignores all the rules on p25 (since they only refer to failed saves causing unsaved wounds when they talk about allocation).
Silly raw- possibly,but I am fairly flat out against it
EDIT FOR CLARITY- I'm against a squad of 10 men, having 2 die to JOTWW and the same 2 die AGAIN from 2 unsaved wounds whilst the other 8 are always safe.

(possible straw man but, doesn't the same problem occur if long fang missiles killed a rhino that explodes into a unit that have been shot by heavy bolters from the same squad? because its two elements of wounds that are technically simultaeous but one not from the "firing unit"..so you can double stack some and ignore others due to the author of the simultaneous wounds)

killmaimburn wrote:EDIT FOR CLARITY- I'm against a squad of 10 men, having 2 die to JOTWW and the same 2 die AGAIN from 2 unsaved wounds whilst the other 8 are always safe.

Essentially yes.

@Rhino example: the DE FAQ on PfP would seem to suggest that wounds from the exploding Rhino are still caused by the Long Fangs.

Baragash wrote:So by RAW as Jaws doesn't cause wounds it seems to me it would be legal to allocate to models that are being removed from play? Thoughts?

I think I agree. RaW says yes you can do this but I think spirit of the game/intent* says no.


*actually it's probably one of those things they never even thought about but it's the kind of thing they'd rule No to.