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Necron Monolith

Postby timewizard » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:00 pm

Okay, so as I read the rules, it seems the Monolith still cannot be glanced to death.

The Monolith has 4 gaus flux arcs and the particle whip listed as weapons.

It then also has the eternity gate which can be used as a shooting attack. The only place it is directly referred to as a weapon is in the fluff.
The rules also say the eternity gate cannot be destroyed separately from the monolith.

So you can destroy 5 weapons, and you can immobilize the monolith, but any further immobilized or weapon destroyed results will be ignored because there is still a "weapon" on the monolith that can't be destroyed.

Does this sound correct?
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Re: Necron Monolith

Postby jlong05 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:55 am

That is the way I read it as well.
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Re: Necron Monolith

Postby Baragash » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:08 am

As the Deffrolla doesn't qualify as a weapon per the Ork FAQ, I'd say it's inconsistent to treat the Eternity Gate as a weapon.
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Re: Necron Monolith

Postby killmaimburn » Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:57 pm

timewizard wrote:The only place it is directly referred to as a weapon is in the fluff.

but any further immobilized or weapon destroyed results will be ignored because there is still a "weapon" on the monolith that can't be destroyed.
Does this sound correct?

No, from what you write it doesn't
See if you can spot the jump in what I read..

I have something that isn't a weapon so it can't be destroyed
I still have a weapon therefore I am not immobilised.
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Having read the rules
having an option which choosing A or B, choosing B allows you to "treat [something] as a shooting attack"
When its not enabled/when you choose something else, you do not have the weapon IMO.
Does a furioso dreadnought with bloodlance instantly become invincible to glancing because his psychic shooting attack cannot be taken away? no.
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Re: Necron Monolith

Postby timewizard » Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:54 pm

killmaimburn wrote:Having read the rules
having an option which choosing A or B, choosing B allows you to "treat [something] as a shooting attack"
When its not enabled/when you choose something else, you do not have the weapon IMO.
Does a furioso dreadnought with bloodlance instantly become invincible to glancing because his psychic shooting attack cannot be taken away? no.
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I like your line of thought.

There's a discussion over on Dakka about this http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/po ... ge#3594719

They seem content to wait for a FAQ.
Me, I'm still split on it because it sounds like the eternity gate is able to be considered a weapon or weapon system.

But the good news is that with the re-writing of the living metal rules, my marine's meltas and dark eldar's lances are no longer being penalized!
Melta bombs just became the choice du jour for me to take out the monolith!
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Re: Necron Monolith

Postby ruffian4 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:55 pm

timewizard wrote:They seem content to wait for a FAQ.

Are you sure they are "content" or are just meekly accepting that rules as written bear no resemblance to "reality" as determined by faq? :roll:
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Re: Necron Monolith

Postby Galador » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:01 am

You realize that the Portal of Exile, unlike a deffrolla, is actually a weapon on the Summary page? Wouldn't that mean it is an actual weapon, and since it specifically states in the rules that it can't be destroyed separately from the Monolith, I am in the camp of that it cant be glanced to death still, even though this disadvantages my Dark Eldar....
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Re: Necron Monolith

Postby BANE » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:16 am

My arguement started as it is not listed in the wargear as the portal of exile (weapon) its listed as an eternity gate (may be used as a portal of exile), so therefore my thoughts were the same as KMB. I also believed this would be RAI.

However looking at it again "The eternity gate cannot be destroyed seperatly from the monolith", why would this line be nessecery if it was not considered a weapon as if its not there is no possiable way to destroy the enternity gate without destroying the lith is there?
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Re: Necron Monolith

Postby BANE » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:19 am

For the record i am not saying that Galador is right just that i am no longer sure.

PS excuse spelling, typing one handed on tablet whilst feeding the little one.
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Re: Necron Monolith

Postby Baragash » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:15 am

Galador wrote:You realize that the Portal of Exile, unlike a deffrolla, is actually a weapon on the Summary page? Wouldn't that mean it is an actual weapon, and since it specifically states in the rules that it can't be destroyed separately from the Monolith, I am in the camp of that it cant be glanced to death still, even though this disadvantages my Dark Eldar....


The Monolith is not equipped with a Portal of Exlie, it's equipped with an Eternity Gate. The Eternity Gate is not a weapon, so the continuing existence of the Eternity Gate doesn't prevent glance-death.

GW have told us many times that the Summary page is not rules.
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