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Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby KInG » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:49 pm

Vect's description says he get's wounds back for wounds he causes with the shooting attack, 12" range orb thing.

Further on in the dex theres another reference to wounds, but it sprecifically says 'unsaved wounds'. Does Vect get them for the ones he causes, even if they are saved? Or is this another GW classic blunder?
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby Stunty » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:18 pm

it will be unsaved wounds..
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby KInG » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:41 am

im sure it was meant to be... but when u read it, when u see it, see if you see the same thing.
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby Baragash » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:15 am

IIRC (rulebook in loft, me comfy on sofa ;) ) the language for making saves makes it clear that if a save is made the wound is negated/didn't happen - so "wounds" and "unsaved wounds" are the same thing (or to put it another way, "unsaved" is an unnecessary word).
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby mattjgilbert » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:21 am

Agreed. You may roll "To Wound", but cannot actually cause any until after saves have been made.
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby lostandthedamned » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:31 am

There tends to be a style guide written for this sort of thing.

Have a look at the sentance structure of each case. Are they mid sentance or terminal?
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby BigJim » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:42 am

If you go back into the mists of time - you will find a distinction between saved & unsaved wounds.

I believe that GW does not differentiate anymore.
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby timewizard » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:03 pm

About the closest thing I can find is from page 39 of the BRB under "Determine Assault Results"; "Note that wounds that have been negated by saving throws or other special rules that have similar effects do not count, nor do wounds in excess of a model's Wounds characteristic, only the wounds actually suffered by enemy models (including all of the Wounds lost by models that have suffered instant death)."

It would seem to set the precedent that only wounds actually taken (unsaved wounds) are the only ones that count.
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby KInG » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:06 pm

these wounds though are caused by comparing the weapon's strength (S10) against the target's Ld value... any difference?

Roll against the enemy's Leadership instead of their Toughness. Models without a Leadership value are unaffected. Each wound caused by an obsidian orb will heal a wound Vect has suffered earlier in the battle...

It is an AP3 Blast wepaon.
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby timewizard » Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:12 am

I don't see the difference.
It says; "Each wound caused..." and a model only suffers a wound after all saves, if any, are taken.
An unsaved wound is still a wound.
Doesn't matter what characteristic it is measured against.
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Re: Unsaved Wounds & Wounds

Postby KInG » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:21 am

Yes, I agree :D lol
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