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CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

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CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby Daimyo52 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:36 pm

made my heavy choices ( see below ) and swapped the Khorne Lord ( twin claws ) for UKgT

Nurgle Daemon Prince ( wings / warptime )

8 zerks inc PF champ
7 PM inc PF champ and 2 x melta ( rhino )
7 PM inc PF champ and 2 x flamers ( rhino )

2 x Oblit
2 x Oblit
1 x Landraider ( for Zerks )

i have 75pts left......... another oblit, boost squads or a sprinkling of combi meltas?

could go back to Khorne Lord above a take 3 combi melta termies ?

what do you think
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby killmaimburn » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:36 am

killmaimburn wrote:(wouldn't it help if your list threads were together? I'm confuzzled)

Just in case some folks ,like me, were a bit confused by why when its seemed we pointed one way, and the list changed the other without comment/reappraisel.. you have to view these threads with perfect knowledge of all the web and an omnipresence of all people who have commented on a % of diamyo52 's threads to date.

1st viewtopic.php?f=125&t=3562&p=36530#p36530
WS http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212874
Dakka http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/po ... 50665.page

2nd viewtopic.php?f=125&t=3605&p=37177#p37177
WS http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213004
Dakka http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/po ... 50823.page
40k online- http://www.40konline.com/community/inde ... c=187464.0 (probably the others but I'm limited on there)


3rd this one
ws http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215033
Dakka http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/po ... 52562.page

I didn't find comments on B+C,,tau,truthhurts temp fug and I didn't spot the 4 minutes he may or may not have been on TG :D , so now you can see all the inputs.(on similar topic where is doctor thunders next chapter btw?)

I quite enjoy comparing advice given here to advise given elsewhere, informative. But its still a confusing way to ask for advice. :)
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby Daimyo52 » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:25 pm

Kill

although new to 40k I'm not a newb to wargaming................ so the idea was to spread the same post across several sites is to start with to get as wide as possible range of ideas...........

as with playing other games you find that opinions vary greatly from extremely infomative and reasoned down to so complete rubbish from people that have never seen a tourney, which is where my army is headed.

the trick is to syphon out the good from the bad and then reduce the number of sites to the one or two you think are the best........... but everyone has differing views.

I always appreciate and read the feedback and then try to adapt the info to the way I like to play ( which at the moment is still developing ). :D

so guys please keep the feedback coming
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby TheColonel » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:14 pm

What about trying a Khorne lord in terminator armour and a chainfist. joining the berzerkers in the raider he will add some potent combat abilty to them also if you give him a personal icon you can bomb forward with the raider then deep stike the obliterators safely into close range with their meltas (bye bye enemy tanks).
This could keep your obliterators alive longer especially in annihilation mission as they are easy meat to most forces.

Just a thought....
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby killmaimburn » Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:26 pm

TheColonel wrote:What about trying a Khorne lord in terminator armour and a chainfist.
He's already dropped the 2 lord version of the list,somewhere on one of the other threads on this site.. If he drops the DP back down to a lord.. the whole thing goes back around another lap.

Whats the point Daimyo, you've made it like urinating into a sea of democracy.

Why not play a game... state a preference and engage with the communities , .. rather than the internet equivalent of the aesop donkey fable.

Include unit points totals.(For once)I'm not going out of my way to work out whether you have or have not put extra armour or possession on your landraider (Vital for your agressive transport if your not spamming LRs.. unless someone has been saying that only a melta weapon will hurt you and it only protects you from 1 roll in 6..if so state that you have had this conversation and you have evaluated the pros and cons of always being able to shoot at a slightly lessor percentage of hits, swamping of melta and 5th ed reducing EAs benefit, vs your core ablity to move 20" in a turn to maximise assualt radius),whether you've got your points right etc.
Read the sticky about how to post in each of the list forums.
State why one list has translated to another if taking advice by PM or from one of the other sites so we're not just repeating ourselves due to incomprehension at your elaborate ping of the web.

Accept that after 12-15 threads if the sea hasn't whittled your list into a generic template (must take moar oblits!!) theres not much else to do and take black templars just to show the web its crap.
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby Daimyo52 » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:03 pm

Kill

sorry you seem so peed off, it wasn't the intention ............., 8O the list IS developing after playing games.........

probably haven't explained very well.......... quite hard to my make mind up when trying to find a style of play

here's the fully pointed list ( if your still interested ) :D

Nurgle Daemon Prince ( wings / warptime ) ( 175pts )

8 zerks inc PF champ ( 208pts )
7 PM inc PF champ and 2 x melta + rhino ( 256pts )
7 PM inc PF champ and 2 x flamers + rhino ( 246pts )

2 x Oblit ( 150pts )
2 x Oblit ( 150pts )
1 x Landraider ( for Zerks ) possessed 240 pts )

Development of list

HQ choices

Tried Lash Prince but found that Nids and Eldar made it hard with thier special items and its not much use against Mech Lists.

Then a normal Khorne Lord early on and then swapped to a Termy Khorne Lord which I think works quite well with the Zerk unit, but seems like most are going double DP for the UKGT ( reason i took one )

Troops

The core inf has stayed the same pretty much since the early stages and I'm pretty happy with it...........

Heavy

It took me a while messing around with the heavy choices ( 3 oblits / defiler / LR ), but decided if i use the LR to deliver Zerk squad I was spending too many points on heavy choices so eventually plumped for 2 x 2 oblits and the LR..........

this has given me a slightly different emphasis to the list ( probably why Kill thinks I'm messing around )

Hope the helps to explain to all of you where I'm coming from with the list :)

I have 75 points left.............. but what to do................

main ideas are.............. put Khorne Termy Lord back in and take either a GD or more likely a 3 man termycide squad ( this would also give me the option of giving them a LR at 1750pt games )

add extra combi melt's to champs and rhino's

or just chuck in another oblit as suggested.................

please keep the feedbak up it is appreciated
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby killmaimburn » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:19 pm

Daimyo52 wrote:here's the fully pointed list ( if your still interested ) :D
Always interested, just being a bit more vocal about the confusion ( you have had a few lolwuts? in other places too)
Daimyo52 wrote: but seems like most are going double DP for the UKGT ( reason i took one )
Not the greatest reason, if all the other people said they were taking thousand sons would you :D .. yes demon princes are great they provide a great firemagnet that means even if not doing much they bulletshield other stuff.. but if you want to run a landraider with an IC that can be good too.Heres a nice thing that seemed to spring up from users here, but if your sending an IC off by himself out of a landraider.. it needs a 2+ or a lucky AND clever general. (not me) if you design is to have lord jump out one side, greater demon turn up within 2" of the hull charge and the remaining beserkers form a multi combat.. I will take my hat off to you, probably wave hands in the air and applaud.. but its incredibly risky (you have 2 static defence units then everything else in a landraider.. thats asking for every gun in the room to point at it).Its more eggs per basket than the optimal nob bikers of doom (who have more back ups when stuff goes wrong)..
For reliability- which is probably what most of the middle tier of a GT will be about-I'd keep a DP.Its easier. I won't be taking any landraiders (just to see how many I can pop). Thats what I mean about democracy.. the average folks will take average stuff.
Consider- just in an idle play test, taking 2 DPs (cheapish ones).. Chaos does seem to be about synergy through tag teams (I believe I actually said the reverse recently but its a sunday) It won't work as well in quarters..(where termicide would save you from the better range and power of certain armies) but it will be safer and scarier in 12"s normal regular..

Termicide can be good, cheap and suprisingly versatile..
(as folks reminded me, if you take termicide just for the extra landraider- remember you can't have a better choice unit start in it.. its dedicated to the unit so you can't put plaguebearers in it at deployment (they can mount up during turn 1)- also try to focus on the GT.. taking a list that is best at 1750 or with a view to 1750 is a distraction..(of course if your going to go out and buy the models next week it is important that you can still play and have fun after november of all the stuff you've listed what do you already have?)...

adding extra combi melt's to champs and rhino's-Fun relatively cheap but the rules get tricky You move 12, the vehicle can't fire, you move 6 all weapons can fire,but only if you disembark because otherwise you run out of firepoints, you fire 4 flamers expect to not be able to ever charge(thats not necessarily a bad thing), and that one will have a crappy fire angle (otherwise it will be over disembarked troops) I have a tendancy not to do it. because for 20 points per unit.. a weapon destroyed before I'm optimalis likely..and(as above) its tricky to use it all in one go..
I do stick combi meltas in all my 1kson armies as its the only way to get enough melta in.
I'm unsure on that one to be honest, 3-4 melta is a lot better than2 melta..you just have to be good enough to engineer the situations when you will kill tank X and still be a viable unit (rather than suffering some horrendus queen sacrifice trying to get a smoked lucky landraider)

Gahh must dash 40k is starting, I'm not very happy with the way this post turned out (V rushed all over the shop).. my bad.
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby Daimyo52 » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:56 pm

I have all the Inf, 2 rhino's, 4 oblits and the land Raider but I still need the IC choice
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby Daimyo52 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:46 pm

Are any of the CSM special charcter choices actuall any good ?
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby killmaimburn » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:56 pm

vague list- (top best)
Abbadon is a wall of death but costs lots, used him 3 times.. he is a one man army and scares the pants of everyone. (I get cross because by strict RAW his demon weapon can overheat.. even though he's mastered/been blessed by all the chaos gods.)
Kharn can be good.. but you need to use that trick to send him off to other places from the squad (and he got a bit nerfed after he lost the ability to almost auto hit skimmers)
I hear good things about typhus (a bit of griping that he isn't immune to instant death but he masters sorcery better than tzeentch) haven't used him
Never used lucius, not heard much about him
Huron- meh
Fabius- works a bit like the smurf codex, requires a list very balanced and created for him (and not very great.
Ahirman sucks post FAQ only people who ignore the faq use him.
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Re: CSM Heavy choices made 75pts spare UKGT

Postby Daimyo52 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:57 am

Thanks fot that............

Had thought about kharn after seeING the bail out in a different direction trick ( didn't want him anywhre near my Zerks 0
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