by Baragash » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:07 pm
Ljundhammer wrote:point of a public business is often not to make money, but to employ people, as the marginal losses (including tax income from what they spend) is likely less than them being on the dole.
Ljundhammer wrote:That said, regulators need to be given some teeth, because the privitised utility companies are currently on a gravy train at our expense - there's a lot to be said, in my opinion, for the privitisation of the business, but the infrastructure itself being kept in the government hands (like the railway was at the beginning).
by Ljundhammer » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:21 pm
by Baragash » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:46 pm
Ljundhammer wrote:The reason that people get sacked in a recession from public sector is because in a recession the Tories get in to sort out the mess the last lot (even themselves) got us into. No matter how liberal the British public may or may not be (I happen to think we're creeping toward the American standard which is frightning), people still don't trust socialists, or even the left wing with the economy, and the Tories are always voted in. Unfortunately, history does seem to have a habit of proving this right.
Ljundhammer wrote:The Tories don't sack rich people. They won't get voted in for that. All politicians look 5 year forward at most, and what they look at is how will I get voted back in - if fixing, or wrecking the economy will do that, then they'll do that.
by Ljundhammer » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:02 pm
by Baragash » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:20 pm
by timewizard » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:41 pm
Ljundhammer wrote: So it's all their fault until I listen to an American, then it's their fault.
by Baragash » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:13 pm
by killmaimburn » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:52 pm
ruffian4 wrote:Handy fellow, this kmb...Like Ahriman delving the paths of the webway ...
by Ljundhammer » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:00 am
Baragash wrote:Most leading politicians in the parties seem to be "lifers" from good university backgrounds who worked through internships, special advisors and other jobs within politics before hitting the front bench.
Baragash wrote:There's also a trend towards decentralising everything, which I don't feel is necessarily that well considered and generally smacks of trying to make sure the buck doesn't stop with the politicians.
by killmaimburn » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:07 pm
Ljundhammer wrote:Baragash wrote:Most leading politicians in the parties seem to be "lifers" from good university backgrounds who worked through internships, special advisors and other jobs within politics before hitting the front bench. That really annoys me. There should be a minimum age for politicians. And anyone who wants to be a politician should be disbarred from being one too!
Ljundhammer wrote:Baragash wrote:There's also a trend towards decentralising everything, which I don't feel is necessarily that well considered and generally smacks of trying to make sure the buck doesn't stop with the politicians.Yes, there is a large amount of arse covering going on. It might be a good thing though. With local policies & local laws & local polticians (similar to Italy?) then the national government has very little power & very little is actually done (read: ballsed up) centrally.
Baragash wrote:Ljundhammer wrote:point of a public business is often not to make money, but to employ people, as the marginal losses (including tax income from what they spend) is likely less than them being on the dole.The problem with this though is that in recessions/public spending squeezes they tend to sack the staff at the bottom (this is why the rise in public sector salaries annoys me, it's happened because of counter-intuitive economic management), so they spend lots of time not realising this strategy, plus the fact that people at the bottom spend more of their disposable income which helps support aggregate demand in the economy, which helps get us out of a recession..
Ljundhammer wrote: I don't want it my f**king way, I want you to tell me what your way is so I can f**king vote for you or not, I don't want you all to say the same old lies, do something completely different because your focus group told you to after the election, then claim that that's what I really wanted, and you're stopping, pausing, and f**king listening. Grow a f**king backbone & tell what you mean. GAAAAH!* ahem *
by Ljundhammer » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:37 pm
by killmaimburn » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:45 pm
by Ljundhammer » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:53 pm
killmaimburn wrote:but if you believe in freedom of expression and you believe in democracy then at some level or another.. yes you put your fate in the hands of the mob.
by killmaimburn » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:06 pm
by timewizard » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:31 pm
Ljundhammer wrote:On Timewizard - it is all his fault, he just doesn't know it yet
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