Ogregut wrote:Im not sure what you mean when you say banshees can now only scream in the shooting phase (and in combat). When could they do otherwise? I like the banshees as heroes, they are much cheaper then buying them in a unit of wraiths. Dont forget they not combat characters however they are great for tying up heroes without magic weapons. I think the best way to use them is put them in a unit to start with, see how much magic missiles are about and then let them run about on their own. I seem to remember one of mine quite resently killing a very large spider in one go. Im sure you do as well Ian!
This is exactly what Ian then did with his Tomb Banshee's, used the Ghoul units as a Delivery mechanising to stop me from Flickering Fire them, then run round howling at units.
Must admit the howling only managed to kill 6 Chaos Warriors and a Chariot in total with 3 different Tomb Banshees - not brilliant (especially as the Chariot had already crushed the Black Coach).
Ogregut wrote:You say that you wish magic would able you to bring the models back and make them powerful to stand up to other armies; it does. I had a unit of 11 Black Knights led by a vampire lord charge into a 25 strong horror unit. Re-rolling to hit and wound allowed me to pop the unit in one go.
I think a Vampire Lord and Black Knights verses a Horror Unit is not a good example, even with a 4+ ward save, i think it's an easy win...
Ogregut wrote:I think your having a bit of a knee jerk reaction to losing and playing WoC probably wasn't the best starter game.
True my WoC was tooled up to face Undead and I took advantage of the 6' by 6' playing area to target Ian's Flanks and split his army into 3 fronts. Still it was close only 300pts in it...
Still I believe the tiering of armies are:
1st Tier - Dark Elves, High Elves, Warriors of Chaos, Skaven
2nd Tier - Tomb Kings, Ogre Kingdom, Vampire Counts, Orcs & Goblins
3rd Tier - Empire, Lizardmen, Daemons of Chaos, Dwarves
4th Tier - Bretonnia, Wood Elves, Beastmen, Chaos Dwarves*
*Chaos Dwarves - not seen a pure army played from the Forge book to be able to rate them.
To my mind, all the new Army Books have settled in the 2nd Tier of ability which is good (just need all the other books to be in this same level of re-write?)