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Will there (ever) be a plateau with older cards?

Postby shaggai » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:39 pm

Just took a look on ebay to see what prices on cards were - completely blew my mind that wasteland (an uncommon from a 350 card set) was going in the neignborhood of $40 - I guess that will happen when you ban/restict strip mine completely. Force of Wills going for $70, and the coup de grace - dual lands $100.00+. I remember 5 or 10 dollar dual lands and if I knew they were ever going to be this high I would have scooped them bad boys up no matter how crappy they were...

Now I really haven't cared one way or the other about magic for a very long time - I started when Fallen Empires and Revised was just starting to fade away, played heavily until urza's saga, came back briefly for the invasion block and then only decided to play in sealed deck releases for kamigowa and the starting block + or - from that point. every once in a while I would check to see what the pricelists were saying about the power 10 and enjoyed the fact that they were listed in multiples more what I paid for them (and even with when I started, the moxes didn't necessarily come cheep).

But to see dual lands at that level - I'm half temped just to drop what I have left of a playable set for cash on ebay / half temped just to wait for them to get even higher. The part that I'm wondering is can there still be enough to actually support the Magic community - I mean the worst dual is probably a faded and scratched monstrosity and absolute mint is more likely to be met with suspicion than an ultimate find. Can people still want to play with them enough that they would blow that much to get them? Without reprinting them, when do they fade from being valuable and used to valuable because they were old and used to be valued? The wasteland / strip mine is sort of what I'm wondering will ever happen to dual lands and other seemingly hot cards (read old cards that have outrageous value)- is it only the DCI "ban" stick that ultimately allows value or restores value.
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Re: Will there (ever) be a plateau with older cards?

Postby lostandthedamned » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:05 am

Because of the reserve list these cards will never fall in value to a great extent as Wizards have stated they won't get a reprint outside of the incredbibly rare Judge Promo's
Anything that is a staple for Legacy/vintage like the duals/ Force of Will/wasteland can be seen as an investment for a player as they only need to be brought once yet get used in nearly every deck.
They are unlikely to go much higher as there has been a big upswing in the number of new legacy players due to Extended format recently being reduce to only a few sets more than Standard. If the Rumored "overextended" format takes off amongst the general playing populace then these prices may ease slightly as people play that instead (as it would be a format back to Masques or Invasion and make those cards out of bounds).
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Re: Will there (ever) be a plateau with older cards?

Postby LordMalekTheRedKnight » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:27 am

EDH/Commander is also apparantly affecting prices, outside of competitive play. This means some cards may hold (most of) their value even if they are no longer usable in tournaments. It does have a banned list of its own however.

The thing about the original dual lands is that as well as having no drawback (besides being non-basic), they also have both basic land types, allowing them to be searched for with Fetchlands etc (unlike more recent duals). Its unlikely that Wizards will even print a non-draw dual, never mind one with the sort of power that having both basic land types provides (latest efforts include the M10/M11 duals like Glacial Fortress and the SOM duals like Seachrome Coast). This should allow the original duals to keep their value for as long as people are playing formats where they are legal - they shouldnt get obsoleted.

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Re: Will there (ever) be a plateau with older cards?

Postby estarriol » Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:48 am

This is normal for the history of the game, Mox's used to go for insane money (they might still do, but I am out of touch), and people used to be horrified when I pulled out my Elephants deck with Elephants Graveyards in it. And I used to regularly get high value offers for my Ali from Cairo.

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Re: Will there (ever) be a plateau with older cards?

Postby Culven » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:15 pm

My understanding for the recent increase in prices has to do with rumours that the Pro-Tour tournaments will be Legacy format, so the professional players are having to "buy-in" to the format by picking up the important cards, such as dual lands, Force of Will, and Wastelands.
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