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Postby mattjgilbert » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:33 pm

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Re: DreadBall

Postby mattjgilbert » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:34 pm

And it's NOT a bloodbowl copy before anyone says it :) It has teams and is a sports game. Similarity ends!
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Re: DreadBall

Postby estarriol » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:01 pm

Lets see a fantasy game, a sci-fi game and a fantasy sports game, add in a dungeon crawl game, all they need is a derelict spaceship game.

Mantic are rapidly becoming GW lite.
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Postby Baragash » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:20 pm

Do they become "GW full" when they stop supporting them and shuffle them off to the hidden corners of their website? ;)

And they have a derelict spaceship game, it's called Project: Pandora :)

If you haven't tried them, DKH is nothing like Warhammer Quest and KoW is nothing like Warhammer (not played Space Hulk or the new Warpath rules so can't comment on those).
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Postby estarriol » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:27 pm

No they become GW proper when they open shops and run tourneys specitying Mantic only figs.

Its just the path the company is such a GW clone it is getting a bit silly from that point of view.

To me at least.
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Re: DreadBall

Postby killmaimburn » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:36 pm

mattjgilbert wrote:And it's NOT a bloodbowl copy before anyone says it :) It has teams [based on fantasy/made up races from established archetypes] and is a sports game [with more violence than their real world handegg inspiration]. Similarity ends!

Is that closer? if all the promos say "and its not bloodbowl" without distinguishing it more greatly than it uses hexes rather than squares... its blood bowl with hexes not squares :wink:

Having played the dungeon crawl+KOW I sympathise with estarriol's sentiment, not that its bad to be the cheap GW.
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Re: DreadBall

Postby Stunty » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:09 pm

Awful company.. The more mantic release, the more I spend at GW.
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Re: DreadBall

Postby Red Devil » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:10 am

I can see why people are drawing the comparisons, but their is only so far someone can go with races in a fantasy setting - Tolkien showed us the way!

Having payed close attention to Mantic from the start (and spending a few quid), their strategy is quite simple. Start with a product that's recognisable, but cheaper to grab the attention of their target audience. With time and money, that can do more. The kickstarter has allowed them to think outside and beyond the GW box. Some of their future developments look amazing (Celestians) and even the latest release -the Iron Ancestor - is gorgeous (a dreadnought for £12.49).

With ex-GW staff and rules writers (painters even), they were never going to go too far off he beaten track, but they want to (and have admitted as much in seminars) put right the GW wrongs-namely the costs of the gaming pieces and the complexity of the rules. To this end, I believe, they are a success!

@Stunty - please can you expand on your sentiment? I am [clearly] a (biased!?) fan - would be interesting to get more from an opposing view. Unless, of course, your comment is drenched in irony!?!
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Re: DreadBall

Postby killmaimburn » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:01 am

Red Devil wrote:the Iron Ancestor - is gorgeous (a dreadnought for £12.49).
S'about the price of the black reach one.
Fans refer to things through GW language
is a squat combat exoskeleton from website.. cmon. The place can't even keep the smirk from its face when its ripping off stuff. (its just the same attitude GW has)
A load of axe to grind ex staffers putting all their effort into passive aggressive product line.
Next up Derp Future a game about cars that attack each other going around a rink, but its based on the jason strathem film not the GW game..Its not GW NO GW HERE.. all cars come with marines firing auto(reloading)cannons.
I like how as an ANTI company, its followers can't cope with ANTI... (and I'm one of the people on the fence, how it looks to people who don't like it..gosh)
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Postby Stunty » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:24 am

I just see the word mantic and recieve the frenzy and hatred special rules. lots of reasons the constant copy then slag off GW annoys me. A recent example 'An Iron Ancestor is a squat combat exoskeleton' was there any need to use the word squat? Their whole marketing strategy seems underhand and I have no respect for them. There are lots of companies doing great things for the hobby without mentioning GW look at PP and more recently Hawk Games.
It doesnt help that I got rid of some of my fantasy armies to replace them with mantic models because they were cheaper only to find out mantic models are S**t. I've chucked em all in the bin and uped my spending at GW to try to cleanse myself. I was waiting for GW to release the starter set so I could pick up a 6th ed rulebook off ebay nice n cheap but I checked my email one day and had a mail from mantic about there hardback rules so thought F*** you and ordered 6th ed hardback.
Sorry for the rant Im just an angry person lol hopefully mantic go and join Rackham and I'll be at peace again lol

edit - @KMB beat me to the example lol.
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Re: DreadBall

Postby killmaimburn » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:02 am

As the sites official bottom feeder, I have to ask..have the bin men been? Itwon't be foxes going through your bins..some fragile badly mixed model is still a model in my world :oops:
Its like free lunch of ham sandwichs in too many ways :lol: .
In payment I've gained secret access to mantics next product line they're gonna buy up coates d'arms (not really)
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Re: DreadBall

Postby Baragash » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:14 am

It's not the ANTI that we can't cope with. It's the "OHMAHGAWD someone is ripping off the ultimate rip-off merchants, I'll spend time whining about that whilst said ultimate rip-off merchants butt-slam me every year with a double-slam at the end of the game cycle and a) that's ok and b) when GW rip things off it's arbitrarily cool and homage but if anyone else does it a kitten dies".

The most expensive and "professional" company produces the shoddiest game rules. But holy crap, I've actually tried them so I can comment on a) their shitness and b) their similarity (or as I've already said their lack of it).

Where's the hate?

You're "squat exoskeleton" complaints aren't worth shit

killmaimburn wrote:A load of axe to grind ex staffers


By a load you mean one right, whose only axe to grind seems to be their corporate strategy (that's the one that means "fuck the customer base and the company's long term future, PROFIT NAO").

Where's the hate for Avatars of War? Anyone making the argument that Mantic are taking the piss should have twice the axe to grind with AoW because they completely ape GW's style and they're now releasing a fantasy battle war game.

Remind me which company lost a founding designer because they couldn't actually design new games? Because GW doesn't want to take risks outside it's established big dogs.

So to clarify, Stunty's complaint is that he made an uninformed purchase decision and that's the company's fault and not his. Sorry dude, unless there's more to that story, I've got no sympathy (in the same way I deserve no sympathy for the pain of cleaning up this shitcast mini when I should have returned it - the fault is mine).

For clarity my Mantic-fan-ness is based on having played their games and had fun doing so, they still make bad modelling decisions and rules decisions and I post on their forum with constructive feedback. I'd do the same for GW but.........

What irks me is basically:
Don't like the models, fair enough, aesthetic is subjective
Don't like the games and you've played them, fair enough

Everything else is just BS.

For derp:
Making products that are similar to existing products is called....... Competition? Its also a damn good thing because when a company has a monopoly (or foolishly and ignorantly believes they have a monopoly even as their fanbase leaks away) they are able to price products however they want and reduce the quality of their products without worrying about losing sales.


Because the 2nd para is a more eloquent version of what I was trying to say in part of my post:
I have considered several times to write a series of articles uncovering the source material GW relied on in creating their armies.
But every time I realize that it would not be worth the effort and that it would bring me nothing but grief, both from GW fanboys and people aggressively pointing out things I might have forgotten or simply might have been unaware of.

That said, I generally like what GW has done with their source material and I don't have a problem with Mantic doing their own take on things.
I find the reproach that Mantic are just copying GW pompous and shortsighted, especially when you consider that many, many companies that have tried to enter the tabletop market with more original concepts have had to close doors shortly after because too few people were willing to invest in something new.


Hawk Wargames? I've got their book on pre-order and have high hopes but let's be fair, they have done precisely nothing so far.

But that's kinda beside the point, what is it that Mantic is doing that's bad for the hobby?

Perhaps the Mantic ranting can be moved to a separate topic?
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Re: DreadBall

Postby killmaimburn » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:39 am

Baragash wrote:Perhaps the Mantic ranting can be moved to a separate topic?

Why without it, your promotion would only have matt walking by dropping off a link to beasts of war. And the random comment you left in the missile launchers thread.
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Postby Baragash » Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:55 am

I wasn't even going to post in this topic until the :roll:

I'll wait until I've played the game to promote it (or not)
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Postby killmaimburn » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:04 pm

Baragash wrote:I wasn't even going to post in this topic until the :roll:
Wow you were angry straight away with Esteriol? And that led to the whole missiles are GW using you post?
Baragash wrote:So to clarify, Stunty's complaint is that he made an uninformed purchase decision and that's the company's fault and not his. Sorry dude, unless there's more to that story, I've got no sympathy (in the same way I deserve no sympathy for the pain of cleaning up this shitcast mini when I should have returned it - the fault is mine).
Stunty wrote:replace them with mantic models because they were cheaper only to find out mantic models are S**t. I've chucked em all in the bin and uped my spending at GW to try to cleanse myself.

So you concur that the like for like model range are poor, and only someone illinformed would purchase them from mantic.. Interdasting.
I didn't read the copypasta from whichever other sites are having raging ferocious with us or against us arguments at the mo.
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