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5th Edition Special Characters

Postby Baragash » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:01 pm

So as a result of a slightly convoluted conversation with someone, somewhere else, I've updated most of the discarded special characters to 5th Ed.

I make no claims that they are perfectly costed :)
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Re: 5th Edition Special Characters

Postby lostandthedamned » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:39 pm

They all look really good and not too unbalancing (save that Doombreed is hell on legs to GT seercoucil lists). The only issue I can see is with the Last Chancers. Because you've given them the option to swap lasgun for laspistol and the have all the normal Penal legion rules, they could end up with a useless ability (assualt 2 lasguns) Maybe add a line to make the pistols Assault 2, so you swap out range for comabt ability.
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Re: 5th Edition Special Characters

Postby Baragash » Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:11 pm

Good spot, probably a good solution, cheers ;)
(Might allow them to re-roll failed To Wound rolls in CC instead if they've chosen the CC loadout).

Heh, IIRC the original Rod of Khorne rules, it inflicted D3 wounds with no save of any kind on Psykers just for being in base-to-base with him, so I've toned it down ;)
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Re: 5th Edition Special Characters

Postby killmaimburn » Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:42 pm

Doomrider is a demon and 175 points but has no invulnerable that I can see?
(Unless its "special rules -as a demon prince")
Inviticus is soo undercosted .. game balance belial and that 300 point wolf can make termies troops, both with downsides. having smurf termie troops (THSS teleporting beacons etc) he should be priced likewise.
Shame that CSM don't have a nice back catalogue for you to work on.. was their no named magus, high ranking beastman or cultist..no squad leader.. :(
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Re: 5th Edition Special Characters

Postby lostandthedamned » Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:58 pm

The 2 wounds per wound bit is almost useless though, can't think of any psychers in 40K with T5 or higher, so Doombreed just instant deaths them.
It's the no saves of any kind that makes Eldrad wet himself.
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Re: 5th Edition Special Characters

Postby Baragash » Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:01 pm

Doomrider: I believe the 5+ Inv is listed as a Special Rule.

Invictus/Belial: what's Belial's downside?

Foulspawn: whoops, didn't mark him as a Beast.

Other Chaos: no official ones. :(

@Lostandthedamned: Daemons qualify as Psykers and/or Daemons.
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Re: 5th Edition Special Characters

Postby killmaimburn » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:30 pm

Baragash wrote:Doomrider: I believe the 5+ Inv is listed as a Special Rule.

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I don't see many mentions of invulnerables in the PDF generally (a few but quite a few gaps where I expect them to be)
Baragash wrote:Invictus/Belial: what's Belial's downside?
Apart from everyone who takes him calling him captain useless ,his termies can't take dedicated transports only heavy support(only really a downside in 1750+).. and can't have shrike as joint leader changing their chapter tactics for 27" charges..the new 3++ shields, (offset to that you have for a modest points increase fearless and 1apothecary) I don't think the smurf dex can handle a "wing"
i was however going a bit manic the other day suggesting to someone (might have been a random on a bus) that someone needed to make a SC that made scout troops good.If you take super ninja stealth world scout from training camp beta then all your scouts (and scout bikers) are BS4 and may use his leadership if X (line of sight or each unit is in a sweep formation..or something)
(I see the scouts (outside of the storm config) as being almost a lessor demon :evil: , but much easier to fix)

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Re: 5th Edition Special Characters

Postby Baragash » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:56 pm

I meant under Daemon Prince in the CSM Codex ;)

Daemon Prince ->
Eternal Warrior
5+ Invulnerable
Fearless

:)

EDIT: what if Invictus only made Tactical Termies Troops?

EDIT2: who doesn't have Invulnerables that surprised you?

EDIT3: tweaked Foulspawn, Lysander, Last Chancers, Stumper Muckstart and Invictus.
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Re: 5th Edition Special Characters

Postby Socaddict » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:14 pm

lostandthedamned wrote:The 2 wounds per wound bit is almost useless though, can't think of any psychers in 40K with T5 or higher, so Doombreed just instant deaths them.
It's the no saves of any kind that makes Eldrad wet himself.


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Re: 5th Edition Special Characters

Postby Baragash » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:41 pm

Just updated the BA characters and reviewed all the others. Also added The Red Terror :)

Blood Angels:
Veteran Sergeant Cluetin, Morior The Chosen

Dark Angels:
Interrogator-Chaplain Asmodai, Veteran Sergeant Namaan

Space Wolves:
Wolf Guard Durfast of Mordrak, Wolf Guard Ranulf, Wolf Lord Kyrl Grimblood, Wolf Priest Wulf Sternhammer

Chaos Space Marines:
Doomrider, Cypher, Fallen Angels

Space Marines:
Captain Invictus, Chaplain Xavier, Captain Cortez, Sergeant Lysander

Imperial Guard:
Last Chancers, Colonel-Commissar Gaunt, Stumper Muckstart, Lord Commander Macharius

Chaos Daemons:
Doombreed, N'Kari, Foulspawn, M'Kachan

Orks:
Zoggrod Wortsnagga, Warboss Nazdreg

Eldar:
Nuadhu "Fireheart", Iyanna Ariel

Tau Empire:
Aun'shi, Anghkor Prok

Witch Hunters:
Saint Praxedes, Helena The Virtuous, Uriah Jacobus, Redemptor Kyrinov, Cardinal Hellfire

Tyranids:
The Red Terror
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