GW are not any help - i was told that I could get £200 for the components inside BR box. Utter rubbish. They arent exactly objective. It's not like you will get told about the mising weapons in the DE battleforce.

ghost_whistler wrote:It's not like you will get told about the mising weapons in the DE battleforce.

Thing is, though, there are no "missing weapons" in the box.

I'm not really sure where you are.
Do you just want to wash your hands of the whole thing and get rid?
Are you going to persue a different army?

If you are willing to persevere with them, let me know.
The weapons I built are still here and I can make (some) more if you want them (no cost, just remember, if you can, help me out with something in the future).

Everyone here has tried to help out, but I'm not sure if we're wasting each others time.

ghost_whistler wrote:GW are not any help - They arent exactly objective.

but at least:
- they have all the codex books for you to read
- they have most of the models for you to look at "in the flesh"
- they have display armies you can look at (and maybe even try out if you ask nicely)
- there are other customers you can chat with in person (make connections, talk about armies with players rather than salesmen)
- there might even be other people already playing who will let you watch their game so you can get a better grasp of how different armies play.

why not give them a ring and find out when the gaming day/night is for players in your age bracket, and pop along to meet everyone and see whats going on? (or failing that, find out when is a good time to meet other players and learn about the different armies)

the stores are more than just shops - they are hobby centres.

~ Tim

ruffian4 wrote:

ghost_whistler wrote:It's not like you will get told about the mising weapons in the DE battleforce.

Thing is, though, there are no "missing weapons" in the box.

I'm not really sure where you are.
Do you just want to wash your hands of the whole thing and get rid?
Are you going to persue a different army?

If you are willing to persevere with them, let me know.
The weapons I built are still here and I can make (some) more if you want them (no cost, just remember, if you can, help me out with something in the future).

Everyone here has tried to help out, but I'm not sure if we're wasting each others time.

there are missing weapons: reaver bike blasters and shredders, warrior blasters and shredders not to mention figures for succubi and sybarites and dark lances. IMO it's poor form on the part of GW to omit those for no good reason - if nothing else they could have moulded them as part of the plastic sprue. It doesn't matter if they aren't metal to me.

What I should have done was bought BR and sold the ORk stuff - especially as the SM's are getting all the love right now. You won't get 200 quid for the ork bits but you could get half the price of the box. Start that way, but I was more sold on the DE than the rather pedestrian SM. Unfortunately having read about the DE and seen the lack of support for them I've lost all interest in them (and the Ravager is one of the most drab model designs i've ever seen - it's a raider ffs!)

Still could woulda shoulda innit!

I've spent too much money and I shouldn't have done. Starting with BR, even if it's with the SM (whom i would much rather play than the DE tbh having thought about it) would have been the smart move.

If i could sell the stuff I could do that and then go at a much more suitable pace.

I placed the stuff in the local free ads paper and just got a call from someone offering me a tenner for the lot!

LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:

ghost_whistler wrote:GW are not any help - They arent exactly objective.

but at least:
- they have all the codex books for you to read
- they have most of the models for you to look at "in the flesh"
- they have display armies you can look at (and maybe even try out if you ask nicely)
- there are other customers you can chat with in person (make connections, talk about armies with players rather than salesmen)
- there might even be other people already playing who will let you watch their game so you can get a better grasp of how different armies play.

That's not entirely true, at least here. Even though they have the product it's still packaged and you can't sit down and read through the entirety of the codices!

ghost_whistler wrote:That's not entirely true, at least here. Even though they have the product it's still packaged and you can't sit down and read through the entirety of the codices!

AFAIK they should have "store open copies" that you can read through (they might not be on display as they tend to end up looking tatty) - tell the store you want to start and army but you are having difficulty making your mind up, and im sure they will let you have a read (even if its of their own personal copies, or the ones off the shelf, as long as you are careful).

best thing to do IMO is ring the store and talk to them about it.

~ Tim
p.s. if you want Marines, im sure someone will do you a trade for your DE (there are a lot of Marines about at the moment, due to AoBR and the new codex)

ghost_whistler wrote:quoteStill could woulda shoulda innit!

I placed the stuff in the local free ads paper and just got a call from someone offering me a tenner for the lot!

Tell me about it!

£10 is a p******e.
You could try e-bay with a reserve price.

Tbh, I wouldn't mind starting de, but cash is sparse and the only thing I would trade is my slaanesh stuff (but it's fully converted and painted, so I would want more than the stuff you have at the mo).

Anyway, good luck with it.

Not sure what to say. I would suggest getting your hands on as many codexes as you can and giving them a good read. I refer you to our our PM for possible sources.

I would recomend sitting on your army for a bit and let the dissapointment wash away a bit. I used to crash loads of model aircraft and felt like binning the lot, but after a week or two I could go back with a cooler head and find maybe only the wings needed a bit of TLC.

It sounds like in the rush of excitement you over comitted to an army you didn't quite understand, the worst thing you can do now is double up the mistake by selling off and shelling out on a new one.

With this hobby you have got to love the little people (as my wife puts it). Don't buy them for their stats, their battle winning capability or any other tosh. Buy them because you like the look of them.

Paint a few and the love grows. If you are painting for war you'll slap it on becuase you want to get stuck in. After a few games, you'll get bored with them or realise you got some figures wrong (we all go through this stage). At this point those slap-dash paint jobs will make you hate the figures more. But if they look spiffy and sexy then you can forgive their lack-lustre performance.

I have a few DE (a single box of warriors) making them literally useless in a GW game as they can't fulfil any of the basic requirements. But I don't have to use them in a GW game. They don't have to be DE, they can be sundered eldar who have turned from DE'ness. Just use the Eldar codex instead. Or just say they are SM scouts undercover (yeah purists will gyp, but no everyone is a purist - even my local GW store has come to accept that I am a heretic, but I still put money over the counter, so why should they care). Use them as aliens in a SF roleplaying game, or perverts in a modern war game (lets face it they are mostly S&M fetishists). Use then as reavers in a Serenity style game.

If the worst comes to the worst you'ld be better splitting your army and selling it piece-meal. By selling it as a block you force people to choose to take it or leave it. Selling an army makes it look like the army is no good. Selling a few models means that buyers can pick and choose. You might be left with some hard to sell bits, but you'll probably make more on the individual items. Don't expect to make anything like what they are "worth", they are worth what you are prepared to pay for them, and how much would you pay now?

Best case scenario if you can paint well (and I do mean well) is you can make back more than the figures are worth by selling fully painted ones. Badly painted or assembled figures are often worth less than their scrap value generally and certainly less than retail.

Stay cool-headed and you can probably rescue quite a lot from this. It may take time and patience though. If you are strapped for cash you might not have as many options but you should still plan your exit strategy rather then run for the hills.

Good luck.

If you are looking for marines, I may be interested myself. I have a 1500 - 2000 point Dark Angels army in the works. Most models are assembled(Need molding lines cleaned) but they are assembled nicely. A few(Maybe a squad or 2 have been painted). If you want a list, let me know and I can get you a full idea(Also have a pile of bits for Dark Angels as well).

If you really, really want to trade em off and are looking at marines, let me know. Oh, you would also need to be willing to ship to the States, as I live in Arizona. If you can work up the value you got and we can compare it to what all I got, I am sure we can come to some sort of deal.

I think LMtRK though may be right. I think you really should look at all the armies before making a decision. I know I have done the impulse thing and it always costs me more in the end than it would have if I had researched a bit more first.

Just my 2 cents, let me know.

ruffian4 wrote:

ghost_whistler wrote:quoteStill could woulda shoulda innit!

I placed the stuff in the local free ads paper and just got a call from someone offering me a tenner for the lot!

Tell me about it!

£10 is a p******e.
You could try e-bay with a reserve price.

Tbh, I wouldn't mind starting de, but cash is sparse and the only thing I would trade is my slaanesh stuff (but it's fully converted and painted, so I would want more than the stuff you have at the mo).

Anyway, good luck with it.

I did. No takers, but then I have very little ebay feedback because i rarely use it so I guess that either people aren't interested in the DE or don't want to take a punt without enough feedback. I can understand that, I guess.

£10 is just ridiculous - especially when I said no timewasters.

ghost_whistler wrote:
£10 is just ridiculous - especially when I said no timewasters.

Potential buyers might think that you are a parent off loading children's unwanted toys, and therefore unaware as to the stuffs true worth. Buyers will make these offers as worst case for them is that you will say no.

In fairness some buyers may be unaware of the stuffs "true worth" as well. All they see is a box of soldiers for the grandchildren to play with when they come round. That "True Worth" is subjective as well.

I collect lego and it amazes me when people don't understand the difference between a rare 1980's minifig with a second-hand value of £5-8 and a 1980's common minfig worth 50p (let alone one of the 2000's tat). Outside of the AFOL forums this lack of understanding on my part is often seen as incomprehensible (It's just Lego!!!).

Back with GW figs, sight unseen I have bought some god-awful lumps of glue melted plastics, garishly ruined with poor paint that I felt ripped off paying 10% of the "true worth". Metal you can strip and even take off the araldite, ruined plastic is only fit for chop-shopping or recycling. Other peoples estimation of their skills at assembly and painting is often generous to say the least.

swordtart wrote:Back with GW figs, sight unseen I have bought some god-awful lumps of glue melted plastics, garishly ruined with poor paint that I felt ripped off paying 10% of the "true worth". Metal you can strip and even take off the araldite, ruined plastic is only fit for chop-shopping or recycling. Other peoples estimation of their skills at assembly and painting is often generous to say the least.

That's the truth!

I've given up on ebay. The prevelance of plastic glue is rediculous, I can't understand how people think they need to use more glue than there is plastic! I never use the stuff, that way when I get bored of a figure (or army) I can literally pull it apart & start again.

Plastics can be stripped of paint, but not of plastic glue.

Oh, and good luck OP, I've often wanted a DE army, but can't fit it into my painting schedule (or lack of one at the moment).

I can understand how people would be reluctant to pay as much for figures covered in glue or poorly painted (or even painted at all), but anything else is taking the piss a bit. GW stuff really isn't collectable in ccg cards or something.