Hive Guard and Flat Out Vehicles

Baragash · by **Baragash** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:56 am

Angelofblades wrote:So if a vehicle move's Flat Out! and positions itself behind LoS blocking terrain, such that if a unit of HG attempt to fire at it, they cannot see it.

Does the Vehicle only get it's 4+ Flat Out save or does it get a 3+ since they cannot see any part of the facing side?

Looks like a 3+ to me, am I missing something?

mattjgilbert · by **mattjgilbert** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:08 am

Is it barrage? If it is then cover will be based on the centre circle (so 4+). If not then you'll take it from the firing model and yes, I think 3+ as the firer cannnot see the side being shot at*

*which means that's true for any vehicle, not just those that went flat out. Vehicles get a 3+ and non-vehicles get 4+!

Baragash · by **Baragash** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:09 am

Assault 2 (no blast)

KInG · by **KInG** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:31 am

Matt is right... if you target any vehicle, you determine the armour rating you are shooting by your position to it, which fire arc you are in. If you can't see any of that side, and can only see other sides, then then owning player gets a 3+ save to represent the acute angle you're shooting at and the increased possibility of the shot glancing off.

timewizard · by **timewizard** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:29 pm

KInG wrote:Matt is right... if you target any vehicle, you determine the armour rating you are shooting by your position to it, which fire arc you are in. If you can't see any of that side, and can only see other sides, then then owning player gets a 3+ save to represent the acute angle you're shooting at and the increased possibility of the shot glancing off.

I don't think so. The Hive Guard isn't hitting the side it can see and not the one facing it. The Impaler Cannon rules say that it can shoot any target in range regardless of LOS. The target can only count cover they are in or touching and only if the cover lies between them and the Hive Guard. It also says that; "Vehicles are always hit on the armour value facing the Hive Guard." so the vehicle if it moved flat out would get a 4+ cover save, not 3+ for the facing benefit.

mattjgilbert · by **mattjgilbert** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:09 pm

You have an advantage TW as you have the codex

KInG · by **KInG** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:50 pm

ah, u cheated... u read the rules for the weapon firing

I wasn't aware the question involved specific rules for a weapon

Baragash · by **Baragash** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:59 pm

What's the wording for gaining the 3+ Save?

timewizard · by **timewizard** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:13 pm

BRB page 62, bottom left, if (for example) you are in front of the vehicle, but can only see the side of the vehicle, you can take the shot against the side of the vehicle but it would then recieve a 3+ cover save to represent the extreme angle of the shot.

And yes, even though I knew it could be construed as cheating, I decided to check the codex!

mattjgilbert · by **mattjgilbert** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:04 pm

Yes, it looks like, by RaW, you have to be able to see the vehicle (although not the arc you are in) for it to get 3+ save. Because it's out of LOS, it's only 4+