Don't worry Gymbol, we don't do this often
, feel free to drage the topic back as and when you want
Ok so my maths suck. (i change the way I do it half way through but that stays evenly for both parties so it should still convey the idea if not standing up to someone running the maths to a harder standard). I'd suggest not C+Ping them to win an argument as most people will say .. thats 0.7555 not 0.74555 etc (and i tended to ignore tha vast wealth of recurring numbers mathhammer always throws up so as to keep the numbers listed)
If your going to say
MATHS again tim I think its time someone took seriously my requests for us to host a decent combat calculator
Sketched out 3 scenarios1) basic termies charge, 2) plague bearers charge 3) 3 termies buy powerfists and drop one termie.
1ST termies charge
20 plague bearers vs 10 Chaos marines (we'll keep it nice and simple no mark and no extra spent on shooting)
Termies shoot- 20 shots 13.3 hit plus rerolls=17.8 hits, 5.96 wounds (we'll call it 2 saved to round everything back up) 2 fail feel no pain.
on charge get 30 attacks 20 get through,6.7 wounds 4.46 die
14 plaguebearers-7 hit, 3.5 wound= 0.58 wounds to termie squad
You lost combat by 4 wounds=1.333 die from no retreat (after invulnerables and feel no pain)
Round 2
9.4 terminators vs 12.7 plague bearers (for the maths angle I'll round up the wounds on both until the end)
13.33 hits, 4.44 wounds 2.96 unsaved and die
9 plague bearers hit 6 times wound 3 times 0.5 dies
So I'll knock the remainders off here- meaning termies lose 1 guy plague bearers lost 3
2 no retreats (it would be without the remainders off as well)-1.3 get passed save 0.666.. recurring dead.
Round 3
9 terminators vs 9.4 plague bearers.
termies- 12 hit, 4 wound-2.6 recuring wounds
10 plague bearers... 5 hit, 2.5 wound=0.416 damage
plaguebearers on 7 bodies, termies on 8.59
plague bearers save 1, and fail to feel no pain 1 of 2 remaining
Round 4 Termie models= 8.59, plague bearers on 6 bodies and it tidies up from there with termies ending..
2nd plague bearers charge
Termies go first, 13.33 hits, 4.44 wounds, 2.96 unsaved and die
Plague bearers 18 guys, 9 hit 4.5 wound=0.75 wounds
You lost by 2..,1.3 get through..0.66 recuring wounds..
We'll round it down 2.96 +0.66 (3.62) off the plaguebearers 0.75 off termies
Round 2
Termies (9.25 remain) 13.33 hits, 4.44 wounds, 2.96 unsaved and die
Plague bearers (14.38 models call it 15) 3.75 wounds, 0.625 wounds
You lose by 2 (ish),0.66 fails the totality of no retreatedness
=Termies on 8.62 Plague bearers on 10.75
Round 3
termies 12 hit, 4 wound-2.6 recuring wdamage
Plaguebearers (rounding up) =5.5 hitscause 2.75 wounds=0.4588 damage
You lost by 2=0.66 fails the totality of no retreatedness
=Termies=8.17 PLaguebearers=6.222
Round 4 carries on till termies win
3rd with fists
Alt 3(alternate build here I give 3 terminators fists, as most chaos folks will say 1 in 3 should be a fist- at the cost of 1 terminator) but to even up neither side charges they just appear locked together magically- I can't be arsed to run the mirror numbers.
int4 6 guys 12 attacks, 8 hit 2.66 wounds=1.77777 damage
PBers-19 guys(9.5 hit),4.75 wounds,0.7925 damage
Fists 4 hit=3.3333 wound=2.2222 damage
total combat damage chaos=3.999999, PBers 0.79, you lose by 3= lose a wound after all the saves
Round two PBers on 15.1 chaos on 8.3
int4 6 guys 12 attacks, 8 hit 2.66 wounds=1.77777 damage
(pretend 16 as I've done all way through) 8 hit 4 wound=0.6666 damage
Fists 4 hit=3.3333 wound=2.2222 damage
total combat damage chaos=3.999999, PBers 0.66,you lose by 3= lose a wound after all the saves
Round 3 PBers on 10.01 (ish) chaos on 7.7 (lost a power weapon)
int4 5 guys 10 attacks, 6.666 hit 2.22 wounds=1.481481481 damage
(I think we can call 10.01= 10) 5 hit,2.5 wound=0.41666 damage
Fists 4 hit=3.3333 wound=2.2222 damage
total combat damage chaos=3.703681481 PBers 0.4166 you lose by 3= lose a wound after all the saves
round 4 PBers on 5.31 models Termies on 7.28334 models and tidy up from there.
I think possibly icon of khorne might actually have the edge over 3 fists (as it seems by these maths to add 10 attacks to all 3 of the first rounds which is 2.222 attacks (yes that looks the same as the fists but remember that this doesn't include the basic termie who are no longer holding fists attacks on top.)