by ThePatriot » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:20 pm
by ThePatriot » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:58 pm
by jlong05 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:01 pm
by LordMalekTheRedKnight » Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:15 pm
jlong05 wrote:EDIT: You may also consider a simple bump. The negative connotations can put many off. You have only allowed for 24 hours for a response. Not everyone plays every army, so its not a guarantee you are going to get feedback so quickly. Although AoS is getting many more hits than before, its still not getting the volume that Warseer or others get so you have to be a bit more patient for responses. cheers
by ThePatriot » Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:31 pm
by LordMalekTheRedKnight » Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:57 pm
ThePatriot wrote:Rendering help should not include someone's own bias against a certain line of figs just because they don't have the GW name and price tag attached to them. Would it make you feel better if I went with the Perry Brother's AWI figs instead?
ThePatriot wrote:EDIT: Why would you choose Light Infantry as a doctrine? I'm curious to understand your reasoning behind it.
ThePatriot wrote:What other doctrines would you recommend for AWI as well as doctrines for Adriadna.
by ThePatriot » Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:08 pm
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:ThePatriot wrote:Rendering help should not include someone's own bias against a certain line of figs just because they don't have the GW name and price tag attached to them. Would it make you feel better if I went with the Perry Brother's AWI figs instead?you missed my point. its not a case of people refusing to help because they dont want you to use non-GW figures. in order for someone to get excited about an idea and join in a discussion about it they need to be interested in the first place, and if you want to brainstorm then people need to have their imagination sparked. if people cant imagine building or playing against a force like this (because such a thing would be totally alien to them), its going to be hard for them to get their creative juices flowing because of it. if people arent interested and inspired, then they wont have much to say.theres also the problem of people being turned off models (and therefore the idea of using them) because they look out of place alongside the current 40K range (and i bet even the Tau suffer because of this). by adding 40K icons and weaponry (as i suggested) you can help alleviate this, but pics of the original models painted and based for a different game system wont help people imagine them fitting in on a 40K table. some people only like using painted models. others insist on WYSIWYG. some only want to use the newer versions of the models made for the army. and some dont like using non-GW (or even non-40K) parts. you have to accept that different people like playing different ways, and have different self-imposed standards. some people just like collecting GW to the exclusion of all else. its great to try to widen peoples' horizons when it comes to alternate manufacturers (GW's propaganda meant it took me years as a wargamer to realise that its not just "the GW hobby"), but it needs to be done nicely and respectfully. theres a big difference between pointing out cool models made by other companies and berating people for being narrow minded because they stick to what GW makes. and as i said above, even if you dont mean to offend people you need to be careful to consider how they may take what you say. cheers~ Tim(AoS Mod)
by jlong05 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:27 pm
ThePatriot wrote:Also, I don't care if people get offended because people do not have the right to not be offended. If they take something the wrong way then that's on them. I refuse to play the PC bs game and walk on eggshells because I might hurt their little feelings. I'm an adult and so are they. They should act like one not act like they're still in kindergarten and go running to the teacher because ThePatriot said something bad or they disagree with. If you don't like what I say that's on you since I am respectful and do not cuss people out nor usually use profanity. I tell it like it is without a sugar coating and I've always been like that. Life is rough and sometimes, golly gee, a person will not like you for whatever imagined reason they think of. Been through too much of that popularity bs to even be concerned with it at my nearly 4 decades of life.
by ThePatriot » Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:34 pm
jlong05 wrote:ThePatriot wrote:Also, I don't care if people get offended because people do not have the right to not be offended. If they take something the wrong way then that's on them. I refuse to play the PC bs game and walk on eggshells because I might hurt their little feelings. I'm an adult and so are they. They should act like one not act like they're still in kindergarten and go running to the teacher because ThePatriot said something bad or they disagree with. If you don't like what I say that's on you since I am respectful and do not cuss people out nor usually use profanity. I tell it like it is without a sugar coating and I've always been like that. Life is rough and sometimes, golly gee, a person will not like you for whatever imagined reason they think of. Been through too much of that popularity bs to even be concerned with it at my nearly 4 decades of life.And its this sort of attitude that I think causes most people to not even bother to respond. You are correct, You never cuss people out and as you said rarely use profanity, which honestly I appreciate, but the attitude you bring because you get 'your' feelings hurt because 'you' have a point to make that no one else seems to share is getting a bit tiresome. My original post was simply a honest try at suggesting why you may not have received any feedback. This post is now simply to say you won't get any additional feedback from me. Its simply not worth my time either.
by LordMalekTheRedKnight » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:11 pm
ThePatriot wrote:Sparking the imagination should not be like pulling teeth to get an honest to goodness answer.
ThePatriot wrote:Also, I don't care if people get offended because people do not have the right to not be offended. If they take something the wrong way then that's on them.
ThePatriot wrote:I refuse to play the PC bs game and walk on eggshells because I might hurt their little feelings. I'm an adult and so are they.
ThePatriot wrote:... Been through too much of that popularity bs to even be concerned with it at my nearly 4 decades of life.
ThePatriot wrote:...even if someone doesn't render help you still thank them. It's called common courtesy and a lost art in this day and age of pc walk on eggshells talking.If you hadn't noticed, but I accepted your reasons for not replying through silent ascension.
ThePatriot wrote:Afterall, I can just see these guys sitting next to my Sisters on the battlefield due to my Order finding the planet the AWI guys were on and stuck at the 18th century style of equipment.
ThePatriot wrote:Ahh I see that you were talking about Adriadnas and not AWI for Light Infantry. Makes sense and I like the doctrines you've picked out since they make sense.
ThePatriot wrote:The thing that is heavily influencing me to go with the AWI or the Adriadna is the price. For me to field an 1850 force of AWI costs about $500 and for Adriadna about $1,000.
ThePatriot wrote:AWI is half the cost and being blue collar puts the Adriadna out of my price range for a full army. Maybe as a CP or a KT I'll do them later.
by ThePatriot » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:36 pm
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:ThePatriot wrote:Sparking the imagination should not be like pulling teeth to get an honest to goodness answer.you created the thread and then waited just 24 hours before making what felt like a sarcastic remark about the lack of a response. i'd hardly compare that to "pulling teeth".ThePatriot wrote:Also, I don't care if people get offended because people do not have the right to not be offended. If they take something the wrong way then that's on them. so when you said "Thank y'all for all the help." - before even receiving any replies - what "help" were you talking about? if reading that as sarcasm is to do so "the wrong way", then what was the right way to take it? besides, even if "people do not have the right to not be offended", they certainly do have the right not to reply to your posts. if you actually want constructive responses then you need to consider that. ThePatriot wrote:I refuse to play the PC bs game and walk on eggshells because I might hurt their little feelings. I'm an adult and so are they. um, since when did AoS become an "adults-only" forum? i think you'l find that the forum rules say: "This site is used by people of all ages." i think you need to re-read the Sticky in the New Members forum. ThePatriot wrote:... Been through too much of that popularity bs to even be concerned with it at my nearly 4 decades of life.but you are the one asking (expecting?) others to help you - if you arent even going to consider their feelings when you type, dont you think that might be a problem?now, i know your thread on Warseer didnt go the way you hoped, and i do sympathise. however, i think you should take a moment to cool off before posting again, to help make sure you dont take that out on anyone here. Age Of Strife might be a quiet place to visit, but its a nice community with a good atmosphere - and I for one would like to keep it like that. any more problems with this thread tonight and i will Lock it while it is discussed between the Mods & Admin. EDIT: ThePatriot wrote:...even if someone doesn't render help you still thank them. It's called common courtesy and a lost art in this day and age of pc walk on eggshells talking.If you hadn't noticed, but I accepted your reasons for not replying through silent ascension. so you thank people even before anyone has responded, but remain silent to someone who does reply? anyway, lets try to draw a line under all that and get this thread back on topic: choosing Doctrines (etc) for using those ranges as IG - if anyone has anything to add then they will (if they want to, of course).cheers~ Tim(AoS Mod)EDIT - on topic:ThePatriot wrote:Afterall, I can just see these guys sitting next to my Sisters on the battlefield due to my Order finding the planet the AWI guys were on and stuck at the 18th century style of equipment.that makes sense. il be honest, i didnt get that from your OP - i thought you were going to keep just the poses and the uniforms of the AWI models but update them with "modern" 40K weaponry and wargear. a "backwards" planet does offer lots of opportunties to deviate from the norm - did you read that fluff piece about Uriah Jacobus leading medieval style knights to quell a rebellion (or something like that... i read it was a while ago, but the "Brettonia meets 40K" image has stuck with me ever since)?ThePatriot wrote:Ahh I see that you were talking about Adriadnas and not AWI for Light Infantry. Makes sense and I like the doctrines you've picked out since they make sense. cheers. ThePatriot wrote:The thing that is heavily influencing me to go with the AWI or the Adriadna is the price. For me to field an 1850 force of AWI costs about $500 and for Adriadna about $1,000. is that based on a purely infantry force, or have you considered adding normal IG tanks etc? Chimeras, Hellhounds and other tanks can all eat up points quickly (without using up Doctrines), allowing you to play big games without needing lots of models. and is that the only size game you play? ive quite enjoyed 1,000 and 1,250 pts games (with the standard size ive played being 1,500) - dropping the pts level would also help you field a cool looking characterful force using expensive infantry models without breaking the bank. you mentioned SoB too - if you fielded the force as allies alongside a WH army then that would also cut down on the costs involved. (ive planned an Arbites CP and a PDF army - by incorperating the Arbites (WH) into the PDF (IG) as allies that means i will need to buy less models overall without having to play smaller games with the main army).ThePatriot wrote:AWI is half the cost and being blue collar puts the Adriadna out of my price range for a full army. Maybe as a CP or a KT I'll do them later.does that mean that the Adriadna are definately out of the equation? do you want to concentrate on the AWI (even if it means fewer responses/less interested) from now on?cheers ~ Tim
by jlong05 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:30 pm
ThePatriot wrote:4. When I posted this thread I wasn't angry nor do I see how you can get any anger out of my text. I do not use emoticons because I am a plain speaking calm and logical person. So your answer to everything is to lock a thread where I've been nothing but nice and following the rules of etiquette and the forum? That's really a strange way to handle a non-situation now isn't it? In case you haven't noticed, but the only people that have been antagonistic in this thread have been you and jlong even going to the point of saying that I said something when I did not as well as imply that my original post was to the contrary of what is written. It is better to remain silent to avoid antagonizing people then it is to open your mouth and make the situation worse. Judgment is the better part of valor is it not?
by KInG » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:31 pm
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