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by timewizard » Tue May 18, 2010 4:30 pm
by killmaimburn » Tue May 18, 2010 4:35 pm
ruffian4 wrote:Handy fellow, this kmb...Like Ahriman delving the paths of the webway ...
by timewizard » Tue May 18, 2010 4:44 pm
killmaimburn wrote:Can't work out if ruffian will kick your butt, or approve
Vinny Gambini: I understand you played a game of pool with Lisa for $200, which she won. I'm here to collect. J.T.: How 'bout if I just kick your ass? Vinny Gambini: Oh, a counter-offer. That's what we lawyers - I'm a lawyer - we lawyers call that a counter-offer. This is a tough decision here. Get my ass kicked or collect $200. Let me think... I could use a good ass-kickin', I'll be very honest with you... nah, I think I'll just go with the two hundred
by LordMalekTheRedKnight » Tue May 18, 2010 4:45 pm
by timewizard » Tue May 18, 2010 5:09 pm
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:The truth is that lots of people dont (and didnt) really know how deployment works - and I am willing to bet that this isnt limited to those outside the studio. ~ Tim
by Drax » Tue May 18, 2010 6:44 pm
by LordMalekTheRedKnight » Tue May 18, 2010 7:04 pm
by killmaimburn » Tue May 18, 2010 7:12 pm
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:it is far too late for him to allow a such a unit to set up via Infiltrating (they have already deployed anyway) - Sorry!
by timewizard » Tue May 18, 2010 7:16 pm
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:However, since all units without Infiltrate (that arent being put in Reserve or walking on in the first turn of DoW) have already been deployed before you deploy any Infiltrating units, it is far too late for him to allow a such a unit to set up via Infiltrating (they have already deployed anyway) - Sorry!~ Tim
by LordMalekTheRedKnight » Tue May 18, 2010 7:29 pm
by mattjgilbert » Tue May 18, 2010 7:41 pm
by killmaimburn » Tue May 18, 2010 7:53 pm
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:@ KMB: how did they manage to do that, though? Is it just hand-wavium, or have they rewritten the way ICs join units to allow it to work?
by timewizard » Tue May 18, 2010 7:56 pm
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:Too late, sorry TW.(By the time he deploys as an Infiltrator, the only units that havent set up yet either have Infiltrate anyway or are in Reserve/walking on turn 1)Note that he still gives the squad Infiltrate, so they can still Outflank if they are Reserves together. He just doesnt give it to them in time to actually Infiltrate.~ Tim
by LordMalekTheRedKnight » Tue May 18, 2010 8:05 pm
Part of it is the problem with what "being deployed" means. If it is understood that when you deploy a unit you are placing it in play and on the table, then an IC can join a unit before this process occurs. "...may begin the game already with a unit...". Therefore, the IC is a part of the unit before the unit is deployed, and they are deployed together.
by killmaimburn » Tue May 18, 2010 8:19 pm
LordMalekTheRedKnight wrote:@ KMB: I didnt mean "why did they do it?" but rather "how do they actually achieve it, ruleswise?" - do they just say that it is so and gloss over what changes make it possible?
INATFORCES OF THE SPACE MARINES: KAYVAAN SHRIKE (page 92)SM.92.01 – Q: Can another Independent Character join Shrike (and his unit) before the game and gain the infiltrate special rule?A: No, as Shrike‟s ability is a special rule that does not specify it affects other ICs joined to his unit, it does not [clarification].Ref: ORK.62C.01, RB.95A.01SM.92.02 – Q: Can Shrike join a unit before the game and use his „Seen, But Remain Unseen‟ ability to allow them all to infiltrate?A: Yes, Shrike may nominate a unit he is going to join and together they may infiltrate [rules change].Ref: ELD.56B.01Throne of skulls.47) If an independent Character such as Captain Shrike is joined to a unit that is outflanking,when can he leave the unit? The independent character can leave the unit at any time in themovement phase after they have arrived on the table by simply moving him out of coherencywith the units (See page 48 of the rule book)62) If I have use Shrike in my army he gives any unit he joins the infiltrate special rule. If I thenattach another independent character to the unit does the whole unit benefit from theInfiltrate special rule? No, any universal special rule as per p74 to p76 of the rule book thathave an asterisk ( * ) against it is automatically lost when an independent character without thespecial rule joins the unit. Note that Shrike rule give only the unit he joins infiltrate, furtherindependent characters who join the unit are not part of the unit..
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