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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby Taumaul » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:07 pm

They already have rules for Dwarves and they are being put in with Empire as far as I an aware.
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby markb » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:08 pm

Yeah, I meant that GW seem to be getting rid of Dwarves as a seperate entity and it will only be a few units.
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby berger15 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:13 pm

markb wrote:And Dwarves. Anyone want to buy a WHFB Dwarf army? :)


You could try KoW, or some other fantasy rules (I assume there are others :? ), since GW may come around with an edition later that really makes use of your army. I kept my DA 40K army as I really want GW to bring out rules and codexes that inspire me to play again in the future. And the thought of buying and painting the volume of models I have at present, again in the future, quite frankly terrifies me! 8O
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby Stryder » Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:25 pm

markb wrote:Stryder, not really. Only 18 have been named as two of the orginal Legions were expunged from records and, unless they have been named in the FW HH stuff, the Black Library HH books or 7th ed, basically any point in the last two years since I stopped caring about anything GW, then they could still slip Sigmar in as one of the lost Primarchs.


Sigmar could not be a primarch because. if I remember my fluff right, Sigmar is someone the empire PRAISES so if anything Sigmar is the Emperor himself. its the only explanation because the Empire usually use the phrase "Praise Sigmar" and the Space Marines say "Praise the Emperor" coincidence....I think not
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby markb » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:14 pm

No, Sigmar was a warrior who rose up circa 2500 years before WHFB is set. He united the tribes of man and fought off Chaos and the Orcs and helped the Dwarves. He then formed the Empire, ruled it for 50 years then just disappeared. Over time he became to be worshipped as a god but he was not classed as one when he was alive. When he disappeared he left nobody in charge which is why the Empire elects their rulers rather than has succession by birth as most other Old World civilisations.
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby Baragash » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:21 pm

Taumaul wrote:I think mantic should jump in and write up lists for Lizardmen for KoW as GW appear to be parting with them.


We will be producing proxy lists for all the WHF armies, or the models could simply proxy for existing lists (Nature or Orcs allied with Goblins would work for Lizzies).
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby mattjgilbert » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:20 pm

Yep, we will be making things like the ratmen, lizard and woc lists official :)

I'm expecting an influx of whfb players on the Mantic forums over the next few months.
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby Angelwing » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:37 pm

berger15 wrote:
Angelwing wrote: New stuff would have to be very pretty indeed to get me buying.

Apart from the 40K SM Centurians (which I really don't like :( ), have they ever really failed on that front? GW do make some stunning minis, and have amazing casting quality on the hard plastics.


Well pretty is subjective. One mans trash is another mans treasure etc. I own a skaven army, have done for many years (20 this year) but I'm not enamoured at all by the new plastic vermin lord. My first thought when I saw the first picture was the doomglaive needs replacing with a guitar.
To be fair on GW, they lost my interest in fantasy ages ago, so it would take something special to make me sit up and take real notice. The last models to get me interested were the vampire counts coven throne and isabella model (fitting right in with my lamian army). I didn't buy because of a) price; b) I simply wouldn't get round to actually using them in the foreseeable future and c) isabella was only available in finecast which is an instant no no.
I haven't seen inside the army case since the very start of 8th ed, let alone those releases, so I was right on the no use front.
I've turned my nose up at all the skaven releases for 7th onwards, and all the vampire and tomb king stuff for 8th onwards. Some stuff I've liked, but I've known that cost vs playtme value would be almost nil, so I didn't bother. At least my chaos dwarfs got a updated army list, but it was only in the FW book, again unjustifiable given actual use. :(
The only fantasy stuff I'd remotely consider now would be to finish off my chaos dwarfs. However the stuff I want is the 4th ed hobgoblins, which are still very expensive on ebay.
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby Spack » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:27 am

berger15 wrote:
markb wrote:Stryder, not really. Only 18 have been named as two of the orginal Legions were expunged from records and, unless they have been named in the FW HH stuff, the Black Library HH books or 7th ed, basically any point in the last two years since I stopped caring about anything GW, then they could still slip Sigmar in as one of the lost Primarchs.



Do Alpharius and Omegon count as two Primarchs? Twins or not, there are two of them. If so, then it means there is only one un-named Primarch, and one legion without a Primarch attached. To me this seems unlikely, but with the fluff and BL now starting to contradict each other, it is entirely possible. :P


According to the Horus Heresy books so far, two primarchs were stricken from the records and their statues destroyed long before the heresy, so Alpharius and Omegon are counted as a single primarch from the point of view of the original 20 legions. Also the description of the primarch birthing chambers was of having 20 pods with A&O sharing one, being identical twins.

There are plenty of historical links between WHFB and 40k, the really obvious ones being various references in the Realms of Chaos books from the late 80s - FB fluff descriptions and sketches of Chaos Marines, fluff about the decadent Elves and how their lifestyle created Slannesh, that sort of thing. The Sigmar as primarch idea isn't in the RoC books but it does raise its head on forums with increasing regularity.
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby Stryder » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:24 am

But doesn't the fluff say that the emperor of man (could of changed) say that he rose up and united humanity and took them out to the universe before the heresy?
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby berger15 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:14 am

Angelwing wrote:Well pretty is subjective. One mans trash is another mans treasure etc.

Absolutely agree. I have not really looked at recent fantasy offerings, as I no longer play - so I cannot comment on them. I still believe (apart from finecast), that there are few companies who produce the quality the GW can - although I am ready to be corrected!


@ Spack - thanks for clearing that up - I was never quite sure! So, still 18 missing is the bottom line, although actually 21 created. So, the Emperor is a liar, as well as a tyrant! Hehe :mrgreen:
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby markb » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:23 am

Stryder, yeah it does but he did that on Earth. As far as anyone can tell the Old World isn't Earth, despite striking geographical similarities. You also have to remember that WHFB predates 40K, they essentially took a lot of WHFB fluff and repurposed it for 40K.

Spack, didn't there used to be essentially 40K weapons, like flamers and stuff, in WHFB? Ok, they weren't called by the 40K names but functionally that is what they were. I never player back in the days of Rogue Trader and 3rd ed WHFB but I'm sure I heard that.
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby Baragash » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:39 am

RE: missing Primarchs - it's implied that Russ killed them and the remains of their Legions were absorbed into the Ultramarines.

RE: models - personally I find the End Times releases so far to be pretty poor (particularly the Mortarchs) and there's been a change in the WHF aesthetic for about the last 12 months that I just don't get on with. *shrugs at subjectivity*
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Re: WFB due for overhaul?

Postby Ogregut » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:46 pm

If these rumours are true I'll just stick to 8th, which is by far the best edition IMO.
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