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Derailment of the BER topic

Derailment of the BER topic

Postby Spack » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:08 am

I'm disappointed that the BER competition topic has been derailed repeatedly, and by members of the site who I thought were mature enough not to do so. I agree with Talus' decision to lock it, and I know timewizard has agreed with it. Personally I'd be happy to delete most, if not all, of the replies and take the topic back to the initial single post, I can't see why there was any need for continually questioning what was acceptable as the first post made it pretty clear.

At this point I want to let Talus and timewizard decide how to proceed - if they want to delete replies then I support their decision to do so, and I'd like to think that this will be respected by members of the site.

I'd rather put a few noses out of place than have the site turn to anarchy. If I have to make changes on the site to keep things in line I will do so, but I'd rather not. Can't everyone just get along, and not turn every topic with more than a few posts into chaos?
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby mattjgilbert » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:04 pm

I've not read through it really to be honest so cannot comment. We do like to derail threads here but if it got out of hand I agree action should be taken.
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby Cain Tiberius » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:58 pm

I agree that it's Talus' and Timewizard's choice.. But if the event does go ahead, I also think it should be taken back to the first post. In addition, I'd add an FAQ just to highlight the rules that have been questioned. And extra highlight that the rules are set by the Prize providers.
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby ruffian4 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:44 pm

Spack wrote:I'm disappointed that the BER competition topic has been derailed repeatedly, and by members of the site who I thought were mature enough not to do so.

You are kidding, right?

You accused me of maturity when I first got here and I objected to it then and I object to it now.

Spack wrote:I'd rather put a few noses out of place than have the site turn to anarchy. If I have to make changes on the site to keep things in line I will do so, but I'd rather not.

Well, I don't know what "changes" you may mean, but, as someone who took part in this thread derailment (not in any way my intent, btw, its conversation, it can meander, this isn't watching the news), It seems fine if you delete whatever or whoever you want.
Your place your rules.

I trust timewizards judgement, which is exactly what I want to say.

Now, if I introduced some levity here, would I be easing tension or derailing the thread?
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby killmaimburn » Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:29 pm

ruffian4 wrote:Now, if I introduced some levity here, would I be easing tension or derailing the thread?
This is not a serious face painting/painters only thread therefore I would assume pub rules still apply.
I find it rich that with a forum primarily consisting of double posted protectionist bumps and evangelical telesales that trying to find precision is considered a bridge too far.
Spack wrote: Personally I'd be happy to delete most, if not all, of the replies and take the topic back to the initial single post, I can't see why there was any need for continually questioning what was acceptable as the first post made it pretty clear.

Socaddict wrote:I feel that my questions were genuine. I wanted to close down any potential loopholes, and I was really looking forward to entering this.

Shame.

I deleted my own attempt at levity, I haven't deleted my legitimate questions.
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby ruffian4 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:29 pm

killmaimburn wrote:I deleted my own attempt at levity, I haven't deleted my legitimate questions.

:cry: :cry: :cry:
Levity is bad, no levity, destroy levity, no levity, I am bollo.
I need to watch some mighty boosh to restore my levity levels, this cauldron gone dry.
And good old boys drinking whiskey and rye.

No, stop, stop that.
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EDIT: **** YOU. Not you Toby.

{edited by TW to remove profanity}
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby Socaddict » Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:27 pm

Time to push the IRC again - maybe the conversation and banality could take place there instead, and keep the forum a little more mature in tone?
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby Ljundhammer » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:12 pm

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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby ruffian4 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:47 pm

Banality, trite and boring is what some people want, it seems, rather ironically.
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby killmaimburn » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:10 pm

Socaddict wrote: a little more mature in tone?
wave after wave of subforum that hasn't even been viewed for 2 years. Yes thats the way to solve your problem push fun,joking and comradery undercover.. as I've said before apart from a few bits and bobs I've posted theres F&*% all conversation about actual gaming here.

No need to rewrite the entire forum code.. I've already ported most of my gaming stuff to places people talk about gaming and having fun.
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby Ljundhammer » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:06 pm

Concur.

I come here because it's like the pub. There are plenty of other places where you can dryly work out the mathhammer of your Eldar super mega ninja thing, or to have a 97 page rules debate about whether the 3rd subclause in a badly written sentence is meaning an "and" or an "or" (on that how's Lord Malek getting on with Majic, has he ascended to blue magehood yet?), or run around clutching your genitalia because of some release of super add on book #57.

We're silly here because we're grown up. Taking toy soldiers/man barbies/metal dollies too seriously is a symptom of immaturity, I think.

EDIT - added "other" to 2nd sentence of 1st full paragraph - Ruffian's quoting of me is unaffected. Other edits are me being an idiot.
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby ruffian4 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:16 pm

killmaimburn wrote: Yes thats the way to solve your problem push fun,joking and comradery undercover..

Face it mate, this place has changed.
I don't know if I'm a dinosaur, or just the wrong tribe in ethnic cleansing.

killmaimburn wrote:No need to rewrite the entire forum code.. I've already ported most of my gaming stuff to places people talk about gaming and having fun.

Having ... fun ... these words do not belong.

You must not have ... fun ... in these days of aos pc quagmire/quicksand.
Never mention this again.

PARIAH.

Perhaps there should be a finite list of words that are usable here, that might suit the agenda of some.
Maybe only allow words that have been trademarked by gw???

We seem to be wandering into the uncharted waters of what this place is and what it is for.

Aos the pub?
No, liscence revoked.

Earlier, a post of mine was edited by tw for profanity. Fair enough, I suppose and i hold no malice for him on that part.
But, when I said what I did, I had had a few beers.
Now, in the luke warm, paltry light of day, I can see a little more clearly.

That particular piece of profanity was ...
WARRANTED and is now REITERATED.

Ljundhammer wrote:
We're silly here because we're grown up. Taking toy soldiers/man barbies/metal dollies too seriously is a symptom of immaturity, I think.

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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby BANE » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:07 pm

I wanted to comment because this is the only forum I do post on, so I feel like this is my forum and want to make my point know. I had not read the 'BER' topic until tonight, which I then read in full after this one.

In my opinion the thread wasn't derail at all, the organisers posted the rules, there where what appears to be some genuine questions, the members then spent sometime reiterating the rules to each other. There was a couple of humorous posts but nothing in comparison to some I have seen here. Then they is a response from one of the organisers that seems as tho something has been taking to heart.

My point on this is although I appreciate the effort of all the members on here, weather it be organising things like this or the meet ups most of us have attended together for numerous years or posting Batreps, we all contribute in our own way, its this blend that makes this my forum. However there is an important lesson that I was once taught about getting a subject over to various individuals, know your audience! This is not a painting site, there is maybe 3/4 serious painters that post regular about painting, the rest of the site is made up of different people that come to this site for different reasons. If you post/read any topic on this site you WILL find the same types of comments that seem to have caused the offence, to expect that not to happen in this topic is unrealistic.

To the organisers, first I thank you for your effort, secondly I speak to the "promoter" almost daily, I believe there may have been something lost in the translating of the strictness of these rules, and finally if you wanted to run a serious painting comp then maybe CMON might have been more appropriate.

My two cents.
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby timewizard » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:14 pm

Lost the rest of your post Bane, is it me!
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Re: Derailment of the BER topic

Postby timewizard » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:13 pm

BANE wrote: In my opinion the thread wasn't derail at all, the organisers posted the rules, there where what appears to be some genuine questions, the members then spent sometime reiterating the rules to each other. There was a couple of humorous posts but nothing in comparison to some I have seen here. Then they is a response from one of the organisers that seems as tho something has been taking to heart.


The humorous replies were not the issue, and if you saw my posts, you saw that I did thank and acknowledge other members for their questions and concerns. It did help to clarify the rules. Where it went awry was a question on casting FW pieces. This is certain copyright infringement. It is at best frowned upon and at worst could bring legal action against this site, which I am confident no one on here wants.

As to this not being a painting site, I agree. This is, as ruffian aptly put it, and internet "pub". There's no way I can get across the pond to hoist a pint with you gents (much as I would like to) and I am very happy to have found it when I did. This is a site that has a bit of everything for everyone. I read all the new posts with the eyes of a site moderator, but can honestly say there are areas I have no interest in. For that reason, I do not post responses in those areas. Some of the members here have no interest in painting or in joining into a painting competition, their interests lie in other areas. This is all fine and is what makes this a fun site.

That being said, if I were to say something or direct something at someone on this site that they found to be out of line or offensive, I would hope to get a PM from them telling me so. This way the issue between two adults can be taken care of. I would not be inclined to air it out in public. I would hope that at this point, we all take a deep breathe, smile, shake it all off and move on with the main purpose of this site, which it to have fun with our friends.

BANE wrote:To the organisers, first I thank you for your effort, secondly I speak to the "promoter" almost daily, I believe there may have been something lost in the translating of the strictness of these rules, and finally if you wanted to run a serious painting comp then maybe CMON might have been more appropriate.

My two cents.


And a good thought it is too. However, the intent of the 'BER' painting competition, as well as the Painter of the Month contests was to;
1- Inspire some of us to get some of that modeling and painting done that we have been putting off and
2- Get some new members joining AOS or perhaps get some 'inactive' members back in the game.

The only seriousness of the painting competition has been walking that fine line between making the rules easy enough to comply with and broad enough to not restrict anyone's interest or modeling genre. In the BER thread, the prize, GW plastic kits, set the tone for the criteria, GW plastic kits. This was discussed with the promoter before the competition was even announced. The fact that it was, of necessity, so restrictive, is why it was decided to run it as a stand alone event. The thread on it was started and was meant to be informative, and not combatative, in nature. I will be shortly unlocking the thread with the hope that it can stay on topic.

Would that this were a pub IRL rather than a virtual one, because at this point I would stand and yell "Innkeeper, a round for the house!" in the hope that we could all have a drink, yell and laugh a bit, and get on with it.

Can we?

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